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Game Thread Tostitos Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State 34, Notre Dame 20 (final)

Discussion in '2005 Football Season Capsule' started by Clarity, Nov 22, 2005.

  1. Saw31

    Saw31 High Seas Rogue

    I agree. If we step back and take a wider view (as in both sides of the ball), the team, overall, should be improved over this year despite our losses. The strengths will just shift to other positions/other side of the ball...I agree that our defensive front four may actually be more dominant next year than they were this year. Replacing this LB corps is not realistic in terms of experience, but we still have a lot of talent there just waiting for their opportunity IMO. The strength of the defense should just shift to other play makers (up front) while the LBs get some experience under their belts. I think we've seen enough of these backups (the future starters) to have justified confidence going into next year, both offensively and defensively. JMHO.
  2. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    I'm not quite sure I'd say we'll be "improved" over last year's squad, but rather we may be just as good by the end of the season as we were at the end of last season. To me, the key is avoiding the "slow start" we had last season. Now, you'd think that since our two losses last season were caused by the offense taking time getting back into sync because of Smith coming in late, we would be better since we'll have him from day one...which should be the case. Still, to avoid any stumbling, the defense will have to come out with guns blazing, young or not. Here's how I see our defense:

    DL: I think we shift Patterson down to tackle along side Pitcock, and have Wilson and Richardson at the ends. I'd like to think that P&P would be just as good in the middle as Pitcock and Green were last year. I think Wilson will be nearly as good at the start of the season as Kudla was at the end of this past season. Richardson was rotating in for Patterson at the end of last season, so I think he'll be as good as the start of this season. Thus, I think the DL can be at 90-95% of our Michigan and Fiesta Bowl game DL right at the start of the season. We'll definitely need that in Austin.

    LB: While Laurinaitis won't give us the flexibility that Carp did (both LB and rush DE), he'll be close to what Carp was as a LB...he played well in The Game and the Fiesta Bowl, so not really that much of a dropoff. D'Andrea may take a game or two to get spun up, but if he remains healthy he could even be an improvement over Schlegel (keep in mind D'Andrea was the starter over Schlegel in 2004 before getting hurt). Lastly, while Freeman can't possibly replace Hawk, he won't be that much of a dropoff...he's so good that the staff was trying to get him on the field any way they could before he got hurt. Our LB corps may take a few games to get warmed up, but by the end of the season we'll again have the best LB corps in the conference.

    CB: Jenkins will be a significant improvement over the hip-pointer Youboty and about 98% as good as the pre-hip pointer Youboty. Amos will be an improvement over Everett. I'm thinking by the end of the season they could be the best CB duo in the conference.

    S: Here's the biggest mystery on the defense. Mitchell should be a starter, but who will be his deep running mate? O'Neal? Patterson? Welch? To me, this is the area that could end up biting us in the ass the most on defense. If our safeties turn out fine, then this defense will flat out rock...if they don't, then we'll have some problems.

    We don't even have to cover much about the offense. We do lose two big-time starters in Mangold and Holmes and another good starter in Sims, but I think we'll manage fine there. I also think that whoever steps in for Hamby at TE will be an upgrade (Frost and B. Smith played quite well). Our WR corps will be excellent, with Ginn and Gonzo along with whomever is our #3 (Hall, Dukes, Lyons, Robiskie, Hartline, etc.). And nothing needs to be said about a backfield of Smith, Pittman, C Wells, M Wells, and Haw.

    No matter what record we finish with in 2006, it's going to be one hell of an exciting season. I'm drunk and tired, so I don't know how this is going to read...I guess I'll find out in the morning. :biggrin:
  3. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    A couple of thoughts to support Saw and Mili...

    Jim Tressel seems to be really good at getting kids to understudy the 1's. There's a LOT of talent left. We keep seeing this reload pattern, and I think we will see it again next year.

    I think we can safely assume that we will avoid the slow start. Not having Smith lead the offense from the first game created all kinds of confusion (how long did this board debate Smith or Zwick this year?) and inconsistencies because Justin was such a different quarterback and was best suited to a different offense. If you look at the early games, lots of three and outs. Not so later. This has all kinds of consequences. The defense was on the field longer and got more tired. Team morale suffered due to unfulfilled expectations and two quick losses.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2006
  4. Saw31

    Saw31 High Seas Rogue

    Great posts Mili and Steve19...My contention that we will be "improved" is exactly what you two have hit upon. I do not think we will see the "slow start" next year. Having an experienced offense with proven leaders will be a tremendous advantage for us (I'm hinting at the game in Austin here)...And if we can get out of the gates quickly, it will help this young defense get their legs under them. I think we can safely assume we will, once again, be very good at the end of the season. Tressel's teams have been excellent in that regard. The schedule sets up nicely for us, aside from the trip to Texas, and I think again, if we can get out of the starting blocks quickly next season, "improvement" (record wise at least) is very possible...I have to believe this offense will be able to cover some of the early season blemishes the young defense may have. We should be capable of out scoring people or just plain playing a game of smash mouth "keep away" with our backfield in the event the young D struggles some early. But again, as we've seen with every Tressel team, I would expect the defense to be right there where it needs to be by season's end...We've rotated so many guys in there, I just can't imagine the D not being solid once we hit the meat of the schedule. Most of these guys have seen significant PT and that experience is invaluable...

    I'm really excited to see some of the young guys go full time. Jenkins is going to be a star IMO. I've been anxiously awaiting O'Neal's full time contributions since he was a sophomore in HS. The front four have me excited as well. If we can find a few pieces to the puzzle early (safeties), we may be looking at a very exciting ride next year...

    Side note: I have no worries about the offense going into next year. Full confidence...That sure is a strange feeling for me, to say the least. I can't remember the last time I looked toward a new season not worrying about the offense...:biggrin: It's great to be a Buckeye!!
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2006
  5. BrutuStrength

    BrutuStrength It's time to bring it! Staff Member

    FYI - 2006 Fiesta Bowl is being replayed on ESPN Classic tonight at 8pm EST.
  6. JXC

    JXC '01'02'04'05'06'07'08'09'10'12'13'14'15'16‘17’18

    I just wanted to remind everyone of the last two games Ohio State played.

    Ohio State 25
    Michigan 21

    Ohio State 34
    Notre Dame 20

    Just as far as 2 teams you want to beat, that's got to be the best 2 games in a row in the history of the program. Quite amazing. How great is it to have a coach that can not only get us to these big games, but win them as well. We just freakin beat Michigan and Notre damn!!!
  7. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    I think the other pair of back-to-back victories that some would consider to be as satisfying as these was:

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    Rose Bowl

    That was the "couldn't go for 3" game, followed by the #1 vs. #2 Rose Bowl matchup against Heisman-winning O.J. Simpson. Both very enjoyable. :biggrin:

    I understand that you're making the statement based on the opponent, not on the significance of the game based on current rankings. Which is why the last 2 games of the 2002 season don't top your list.
  8. Dryden

    Dryden Sober as Sarkisian Staff Member Tech Admin

    ... and so close to beating Texas too. :( OSU would've beaten 3 of the 4 winningest programs in D1A history all in the same season.

    However, the other side of that coin is that Michigan lost to the other four winningest programs in the top five all in the same calendar year (Texas, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Ohio State). :biggrin:
  9. Zurp

    Zurp I have misplaced my pants.

    That is pretty flippin' sweet. And the last 6+ games against those four teams have all been losses. (2 against ND and 2 against OSU, 1 against Texas and 1 against Nebraska.)
  10. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    Yeah, but they're the best team of all time...just go to the Michigan boards and they'll tell you so.
  11. JXC

    JXC '01'02'04'05'06'07'08'09'10'12'13'14'15'16‘17’18

    Think about it this way...if we beat Texas next year...than that's a win against Texas, Notre Dame, and Michigan in 4 games. That'd be quite a feat.

    And yes...if you look at just pure significance...then it definitely 2002 would top the list in my life time...since i wasn't alive in 68, i don't know how that compares...but considering we had been waiting since 68 to do that again...i'd say 2002 might be ahead.

    In any is to Notre Dame...for making us look oh so good!
  12. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun ‘18 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    A couple of definitions to help make a point:

    Pulling a "Coop"-Losing to both scUM and your Bowl game opponent to turn an otherwise successful season to absolute shit.

    "Vesting"- Finishing a pretty successful season like men by winning the 2 most important games of the year...scUM and the Bowl game.

    John F Cooper
    Pulled a Coop: '89,'90,'91,'92(fuck ties),'95,'97,'00
    Vested : '98

    Jim Tressel
    Pulled a Coop: never
    Vested: '02,'04,'05

    As long as I'm around I will periodically remind folks just how bad it was under Coop(a lot of us have tried to block these dark times and repression just isn't healthy) and just how good it is under JT.
  13. Saw31

    Saw31 High Seas Rogue

    "Springs slips" happened 20 yards or so from me...uggghhh...I need no reminders, but others, the youngin's specifically, may...
  14. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun ‘18 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    Well Cindy Cooper must post on here because some anonymous Cooper lover gave me this beauty:
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    Words cannot properly express the magnitude of the fuck I do not give about a ding. The part that disturbs me is there are still Kool Aid drinking Cooper lovers in our midst and they are obviously missing Hot Tub Johnny.

    I didn't think there was anyone left naive enough to still back that dumb hick....guess I was wrong.
    Tlangs, BUCKYLE, Steve19 and 3 others like this.
  15. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    Uhh, try to keep up. I didn't say you have to schedule the top teams in the country to have a tough schedule. What I am saying, and what NOBODY can come to grips with, is that ADs DO NOT make up schedules with the SOLE PURPOSE of having a tough schedule. If that were the case, then my previously posted schedule would be the result.

    Can you understand that? I've given up all hopes of you grasping what that MEANS at this point, I'm just trying to get you to understand the concept of ADs and scheduling.
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