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Game Thread tOSU at Wisconsin, Sat, Oct 16, 7:00 ET; ESPN

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The above is analogous to about the only good thing to come out of a loss like this. Drop the Buckeyes in the polls and roll credits on the season. Let the bandwagon "I'm done with so-and-so, fire him" crowd spend the next week Pied Pipering their way out of this season - leaving it for the rest of us to enjoy.
 
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Coqui;1795766; said:
But only 12 of those games were guaranteed. The rest were purely financial.
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Financial? What the heck does that mean? Actually, the rest were based on merit for those 9 different seasons, and even with that many more opportunities to earn a BCS bid, Wisconsin has not been to one since 2000. Which fits with their historical standing as an upper-middle Big10 team.

As for your contention that OSU hasn't caught up with scUM because of their early-century success, that's much more debatable. OSU has almost as many conference titles, more bowl appearances, similar overall win %, twice as many Heismans, more All-Americans...
 
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Coqui;1795766; said:
But only 12 of those games were guaranteed. The rest were purely financial.
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This statement is completely false. I'll go back til 2002 since I still have to get some work done today.

At large Big ten team/Record/AP Rank before bowl game

2002 Iowa 11-1 #5
2003 OSU 10-2 #6
2005 OSU 9-2 #4
2006 Mich 11-1 #3
2007 Illinois 9-3 #13 (shouldn't have gotten 2 teams this year)
2008 OSU 10-2 #10
2009 Iowa 10-2 #10

In years where the BCS only had 8 teams, the Big 10's at large ranking was <8

In years where the BCS only had 10 teams, the big 10's at large ranking was <10.

I've gone back 8 years and found 1 instance where the big ten probably shouldn't have gotten 2 teams in....so it isn't financial. Financial would be Ohio State and Michigan getting the second BCS bid when outside the top ten.


(edit...after researching 2007, I say Illinois deserved that bid even at #13)
Also, 2007 was a wacky year for College Football. I'm not sure who else you put in besides Illinois. The Big 12 had 3 teams (OK, Mizzou, Kansas ) in the top 10 so 1had to be eliminated. The SEC had 3 (LSU, Georgia, Fl) teams in the top 10 so 1 had to be eliminated. Arizona State (#12) was the only at large team eligible for a BCS game ranked above Illinois that didn't get in. Illinois had a "quality win" against OSU so that broke the tie.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1795753; said:
I know there's a thread on this already, but next time Alverez wants to play us at night there we tell him "Tough shit".
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damn straight. yes, ohio state is a big-time program who will play anyone, anywhere, at any time... with what should be one caveat: if you're also a top- or near top-level program, like wisconsin, you should be willing to play a night game at the shoe. texas, usc, miami, and penn state are elite programs. throw in iowa, too, as a top-level team who has the balls to play ohio state at the shoe at night. i guess wisconsin isn't willing to take the next step forward.

they do have washington state as their big out-of-conference opponent back-to-back in a couple years, though, so they have that going for them.
 
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Tlangs;1795830; said:
This statement is completely false. I'll go back til 2002 since I still have to get some work done today.

At large Big ten team/Record/AP Rank before bowl game

2002 Iowa 11-1 #5
2003 OSU 10-2 #6
2005 OSU 9-2 #4
2006 Mich 11-1 #3
2007 Illinois 9-3 #13 (shouldn't have gotten 2 teams this year)
2008 OSU 10-2 #10
2009 Iowa 10-2 #10

In years where the BCS only had 8 teams, the Big 10's at large ranking was <8

In years where the BCS only had 10 teams, the big 10's at large ranking was <10.

I've gone back 8 years and found 1 instance where the big ten probably shouldn't have gotten 2 teams in....so it isn't financial. Financial would be Ohio State and Michigan getting the second BCS bid when outside the top ten.


(edit...after researching 2007, I say Illinois deserved that bid even at #13)
Also, 2007 was a wacky year for College Football. I'm not sure who else you put in besides Illinois. The Big 12 had 3 teams (OK, Mizzou, Kansas ) in the top 10 so 1had to be eliminated. The SEC had 3 (LSU, Georgia, Fl) teams in the top 10 so 1 had to be eliminated. Arizona State (#12) was the only at large team eligible for a BCS game ranked above Illinois that didn't get in. Illinois had a "quality win" against OSU so that broke the tie.
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Nice post, I love reading actual facts in "omgz the world is ending..." threads :biggrin:
 
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Coqui;1795751; said:
(This is not directed at anyone specific - just adressing the mentality I'm getting in the posts on this thread)
IN this case, if scUM beats us we should not be upset?

They have the tradition.
They have more Big10 titles.
They have more National Championships.
They have had more success.

so I guess we shouldn't be upset if scUM beats us this season because we don't base it on recent achievements. All we care about is what has happened in the history of a program.

But I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. And people are going to complain about anyone that doesn't agree with their opinion. So until I start calling for Heacock and Tressel's head and yell to put Pryor as a WR, you'll disagree with me. I guess we'll just have to think differently
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If I read this correctly, The above references are to sCUM. They DO NOT have more National Championships! They Have 1 1/2! one in the 40's(the exact year escapes me at the moment) and the split championship in the polls with Nebraska in 97. Someone please correct me if I'm way off base here......It's been a long,bad day!
 
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I don't know what exactly is going on here, but I would like to congratulate Wisconsin. I always respect a team beating us in guts, execution, and in the trenches. These losses don't upset me as others may, and they certainly deserve props.

Also, to be on topic: Indiana is a lesser program. So is pretty much everything on network television. Especially the reality stuff.
 
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gmen6981;1796569; said:
If I read this correctly, The above references are to sCUM. They DO NOT have more National Championships! They Have 1 1/2! one in the 40's(the exact year escapes me at the moment) and the split championship in the polls with Nebraska in 97. Someone please correct me if I'm way off base here......It's been a long,bad day!
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Don't know if you're off base here, because it depends on who you use as the selector for a MNC.
Michigan's MNC's:
Year . Record . Bowl Win . Selector(s)
1901 . 11-0-0 ... Rose ... Helms, Holgate, & NCF
1902 . 11-0-0 .............. Helms, Billingsley, Holgate, Parke H. Davis, & NCF
1903 . 11-0-1 .............. Billingsley & NCF
1904 . 10-0-0 .............. Billingsley & NCF
1918 .. 5-0-0 .............. Billingsley & NCF
1923 .. 8-0-0 .............. Billingsley & NCF
1932 .. 8-0-0 .............. Dickinson & Parke H. Davis
1933 .. 7-0-1 .............. Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Helms, Holgate, CFRA, NCF, Parke H. Davis, & Poling
1947 . 11-0-0 ... Rose ... Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, CFRA, Helms, Houlgate, Litkenhous, NCF, Poling & Sagarin
1948 .. 9-0-0 .............. Associated Press
1997 . 12-0-0 ............. Associated Press (and a host of lesser ones)

Michigan fans can claim up to eleven. Non-Michigan fans usually don't give all of these to them. In many years there were other schools claiming the title also. For example, in 1918, the Pittsburgh Panthers had a legitimate claim on the title. The two years you were talking of are probably the AP issued MNC's in '48 and '97. In 1997 about a half dozen or so organizations selected Michigan as the MNC. But also in 1997, more than two dozen organizations selected Nebraska as the MNC.
 
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gmen6981;1796569; said:
If I read this correctly, The above references are to sCUM. They DO NOT have more National Championships! They Have 1 1/2! one in the 40's(the exact year escapes me at the moment) and the split championship in the polls with Nebraska in 97. Someone please correct me if I'm way off base here......It's been a long,bad day!
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I didn't verify that information. I've just heard the 11 championships that MightBeABuck referenced.
 
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