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Junior and Senior. Throughout both seasons (when they went 10-2 and 10-3), fans were never overly fond of him and there was a vocal segment of the dfbia that wanted young phenom Drew Henson to start in his place.
You'll note that the "GOAT" QB in NFL history was a very middling college QB averaging ~2300 yds and 15 td per season. That statistical output and the fact that a large majority of the dfbia never wanted him to play makes it quite funny when they go on-and-on about how much they love him now. And claiming that he was "developed" there is laughable.
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Nigel Tufnel
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Yeah, that’s my recollection without looking back. My memory was that he was a decent quarterback but not anything particularly special, but unfortunately better than what we trotted it out most of the time.
That’s what surprised me so much about his ascension in the NFL, because he seemed destined for the practice squad and an eventual cut from the league based upon his time up North.
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Brady split the job in '99 with Henson for the first 6 games. After Henson lost the MSU game and Brady nearly came back, Lloyd went with him for the rest of the season.
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Zurp
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Maybe just an urban legend, but the story I heard was that Mike Vrabel and Tom Brady were going back and forth about John Cooper and Lloyd Carr. John Cooper said some stupid thing that I don't remember but we can all guess. Mike Vrabel came back with something like, "Lloyd Carr took an X-time Super Bowl-winning, HOF quarterback (I forget how many SB's they had at the time), and made him a 6th-round draft pick." I thought that was pretty awesome.
I was listening to a radio show yesterday and a caller said that if Harbaugh loses too many more, he might be as bad as Cooper was in the rivalry. I'm pretty sure that Cooper got 2 more wins than Harbaugh has (and a tie). 2-10-1 = 0.192
, whereas 0-4 = 0.000. If Harbaugh wins this year, he'll be 0.008 better than Cooper was in the rivalry.
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I think you may need to pop into the scum confessional thread.
BigWoof31
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I was listening to a radio show yesterday and a caller said that if Harbaugh loses too many more, he might be as bad as Cooper was in the rivalry. I'm pretty sure that Cooper got 2 more wins than Harbaugh has (and a tie). 2-10-1 = 0.192
Asking a general questions for some analysis, simply because I didn't grow up in the rivalry like you all did.
Was Michigan recruiting at an incredible level back in the late 80's and early 90's?
Obviously this was well before 247 and Rivals started handing out stars for elite talent. But my mind is boggled at the thought of Michigan winning 12 of 16 from 1985-2000 (LOL 1993 tie)
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They recruited very, very well, and got many elite players from Ohio (Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson at the front of the line) out from under Cooper's nose. Coop brought the "national" recruiting approach to tOSU that is still strong today, but he did it at the detriment of his own in-state recruiting...and he paid for it. Tressel came in and immediately made it a priority to lock-down Ohio, and get the best Ohio kids in Columbus. His focus on Ohio along with the continued "national" strategy is part of what swung the rivalry.
Another interesting Cooper story involves Ben Roethlisberger. Apparently, Coop couldn't ever get his name right and wanted to make him a Tight End. Needless to say, he didn't end up in Columbus.
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Listening to Stanley Jackson the other day talking about Michigan's late season struggles.
Said when he played under Cooper he felt they worked too hard during the season and didn't have enough left at the end.
Had not heard that perspective before.
And yes - I was watching BTNs Michigan preview show. I will do 10 Hail Woody's and head over to the confessional thread.
Said when he played under Cooper he felt they worked too hard during the season and didn't have enough left at the end.
Had not heard that perspective before.
And yes - I was watching BTNs Michigan preview show. I will do 10 Hail Woody's and head over to the confessional thread.
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I recall reading that Cooper pissed off a lot of the Ohio High School coaches during his tenure.
Flip note is that Cooper wasn’t the only major coach who wanted Ben as a TE. That is why he ended up at Miami.
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