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I don't get all of the complaining. It will be one of the most famous perfect games in history because of the controversy. People would have forgotten about Galarraga by this time next week if it were just the third perfect game of the season. Now, it's more than that. He should be happy.
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OH10;1711461; said:
I think he is happy. He got a new Corvette today and personally took the line up card to Joyce today. Everyone else is complaining for him.
Given how he fell apart last year and had to work his way back thru the minors I think he's thrilled to be pitching well again.
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Still can't believe they gave him a Corvette...
It was the Indians.. and I saw firsthand how terrible they are this week... at Yankee Stadium Monday... argh...
They shoulda given him a Cooper
It was the Indians.. and I saw firsthand how terrible they are this week... at Yankee Stadium Monday... argh...
They shoulda given him a Cooper
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A couple of thoughts:
1. All sports are played by the rules in force at the time. If instant replay is being used, great. If not, you can't look at the result and say the rules should have been different. You do not want to open that particular Pandora's box.
2. This is only an issue because perfect games are rare. But every perfect game ever played was done without instant replay and was subject to judgment calls and mistakes. Changing the rules after the fact compromises what it means to pitch a perfect game. The value of this game would be different because it would be the only perfect game where the pitcher did not have to deal with umpire error. The only perfect game that was subject to extra review.
3. Anybody pitching against the Indians doesn't deserve to get credit for a perfect game - and certainly doesn't need special dispensation.
4. Robert Gibbs today - "speaking with the full weight of the federal government" - expressed interest in seeing the pitcher "awarded" a perfect game. After all - that would be fair.
I only hope our government would then take the logical next step and award perfect games to all of us who are not capable of pitching in the major leagues.
5. And as for the use of replay - anything that slows the game down has to be good for baseball.
1. All sports are played by the rules in force at the time. If instant replay is being used, great. If not, you can't look at the result and say the rules should have been different. You do not want to open that particular Pandora's box.
2. This is only an issue because perfect games are rare. But every perfect game ever played was done without instant replay and was subject to judgment calls and mistakes. Changing the rules after the fact compromises what it means to pitch a perfect game. The value of this game would be different because it would be the only perfect game where the pitcher did not have to deal with umpire error. The only perfect game that was subject to extra review.
3. Anybody pitching against the Indians doesn't deserve to get credit for a perfect game - and certainly doesn't need special dispensation.
4. Robert Gibbs today - "speaking with the full weight of the federal government" - expressed interest in seeing the pitcher "awarded" a perfect game. After all - that would be fair.
I only hope our government would then take the logical next step and award perfect games to all of us who are not capable of pitching in the major leagues.
5. And as for the use of replay - anything that slows the game down has to be good for baseball.
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Oh8ch;1711771; said:
Case #1:Playing at New York's Yankee Stadium, the Royals were trailing 4-3 with two outs in the top of the ninth and U. L. Washington on first base. George Brett connected off Yankee reliever Rich "Goose" Gossage for a two-run home run and a 5/4 lead.
As Brett crossed the plate, New York manager Billy Martin approached rookie home plate umpire Tim McClelland and requested that Brett's bat be examined. Earlier in the season, Martin and other members of the Yankees had noticed the amount of pine tar used by Brett, but Martin had chosen not to say anything until the home run.
McClelland and the rest of the umpiring crew inspected the bat. Measuring the bat against the width of home plate (which is 17 inches), they determined that the amount of pine tar on the bat's handle exceeded that allowed by Rule 1.10(b) of the Major League Baseball rule book, which read that "a bat may not be covered by such a substance more than 18 inches from the tip of the handle."
Case #2: 1969 World Series, game 3, O's up 3 - 0. Close pitch to Mets Cleon Jones. The Mets manager Gil Hodges came out to argue the original call that Jones had not been struck. Hodges retrieved the ball, showed it to the umpire who saw the polish mark, and awarded Jones first base. Clendenon followed him home with a two run blast edging closer with only a 3-2 disadvantage.
In both instances the umpires reviewed what was called on the field and reversed their decision. There is nothing (but ego) that stops an ump from asking for assistance from the rest of his crew -- the frequent look to the first or third base ump for a strike/no strike call being the most frequent and as I recall even that had to be forced upon umps -- and all are trained to cover one another according to the situation so that a back up is available. Finally, the Tigers could have played out the rest of the game under protest -- and while a protest is not allowed on judgement calls, it can still be called and forces the hand of the commish to acknowledge what happened.
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Bucky Katt;1711430; said:
No he doesn't.
What Harvey Haddix did was legendary. And amongst true baseball fans always will be.
Now, do me a favor, just for "shiits and giggles." The next time you're around some "baseball fans" or "sports fans" in general, ask them the name of the pitcher that a just a few days ago got robbed of a perfect game by a bad call by the umpire.
I'll guarantee that significantly more people will be able to tell you that Jim Joyce was the Umpire than those who will tell you that Armando Galarraga was the pitcher.
Peace
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WoodyWorshiper;1712453; said:
As it should be. A ridiculous accomplishment that I can't imagine ever being duplicated.
Pure racism at it's worst. Sure, they can remember the name of some goofy-looking cracker named Harvey Haddix, but a latino player? Not a chance. :tongue2:
All I'm saying is that the next time someone pitches a perfect game, the announcers will mention something along the lines of "it's the 21st in MLB history, although it should be the 22nd...Armando Galarraga...Jim Joyce..blah, blah, blah."
His name may not be known now, but 20 years of it being mentioned every time someone pitches a perfect game, every time someone does a list of "worst calls ever", etc. will make it more recognizable.
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Are you guys talking about this guy:
He retired a long time ago and wasn't even a pitcher. And it's ANDRES not Armando.
He retired a long time ago and wasn't even a pitcher. And it's ANDRES not Armando.
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My mom and Mrs. Andres Galarraga would meet up and hang out while the kids (me and his kids) played when my dad used to work for the Indianapolis Indians way back when.Are you guys talking about this guy:
He retired a long time ago and wasn't even a pitcher. And it's ANDRES not Armando.
....never hung out with Armando's kids.
Andres>Armando.
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