Violence in the Talmud?

[Bleed S & G]

Now I know there is a poster, I want to say Grad, that studies the Talmud..

Whats up with this stuff? These are pulled from the Babylonian Talmud and it really puts an interesting twist into the end of the world discussion.. especially considering the capital of the anti-christs kingdom is infact, Jerusalem.

"Jesus was a bastard born of adultery."

"Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man."

"Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress"

"She(Mary) who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."

"Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell."

"If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there. "

Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

"On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu(Jesus) was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

Sanhedrin 54b . "A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old."

Sanhedrin 55b . "A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old)."

"When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

"Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

"To communicate anything with a Goy(Gentile) about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."

"Jesus fornicated with his jackass."

Gittin 57a: "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen."
"Jews must always try to deceive Christians."

Hilkkoth Akum Z1: "Do not save Goyim (Gentiles) in danger of death."

Gospel of John:

"Abraham is our father," they answered.

"If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would [b] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father."
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself." 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

 

[Folanator]

Not sure what is so suprising to you. The best way to attack someone is to just slander them with half truths and lies. People believe what they want in order to justify their actions, POV and to make them feel self-ritchous.

Not saying it's right, just not that suprising.

 

[Bleed S & G]

Not sure what is so suprising to you. The best way to attack someone is to just slander them with half truths and lies. People believe what they want in order to justify their actions, POV and to make them feel self-ritchous.

Not saying it's right, just not that suprising.

Whats surprising to me - is that this is the most authoritative book in the Jewish faith. While we pull things out of context from the Koran, there is this book that really makes me wonder what truly is going on in the middle east.

 

[muffler dragon]

Whats surprising to me - is that this is the most authoritative book in the Jewish faith.

It's NOT the most authoritative book in the Jewish faith. The Tanakh is. And the Torah is the most authoritative portion of it.

While we pull things out of context from the Koran, there is this book that really makes me wonder what truly is going on in the middle east.

And the context is missing from the statements you have above. If you really want to investigate each and every one of these verses and what you claim to believe they mean; then I'm game. Otherwise, you can take my word for it, and understand that the Jesus of Christianity is irrelevant in Judaism and thus, the verses hardly reference him.

 

[muffler dragon]

Not sure what is so suprising to you. The best way to attack someone is to just slander them with half truths and lies. People believe what they want in order to justify their actions, POV and to make them feel self-ritchous.

Not saying it's right, just not that suprising.

Or it could be a fabrication in order to raise non-sequitor.

 

[Bleed S & G]

And the context is missing from the statements you have above. If you really want to investigate each and every one of these verses and what you claim to believe they mean; then I'm game. Otherwise, you can take my word for it, and understand that the Jesus of Christianity is irrelevant in Judaism and thus, the verses hardly reference him.

Ok. Lets throw Christ out as I've heard the common response is 'it's not Jesus'.. Ok, fine.

Let's pull the context on these:
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

You are correct in that it is not the most authrotative book.. although the Talmud does try to trumph the Torah, which is where my confusion came in:

Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah.

Look, I'm no expert on these things - so please muffler, don't take offense.. this "holy" book reeks of Zionism.

Who was the author? The pharisees. We all know how Christs relationship with them went..

I'm looking to learn some here, however, the violence in this "holy" book amazes me..

 

[muffler dragon]

Ok. Lets throw Christ out as I've heard the common response is 'it's not Jesus'.. Ok, fine.

Two things, Bleed, that I must ask:

1) From where did you get the plethora of passages that you presented in your OP?
2) Why are you so quick to dismiss the Jesus references after raising them?

Let's pull the context on these:
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

I'll gladly go through these after you let me know what source you're getting them from. That way I can see if there are deviations between what you reference and I present.

You are correct in that it is not the most authrotative book.. although the Talmud does try to trumph the Torah, which is where my confusion came in:

The Talmud never attempts to "trump" the Torah. It's a matter of understanding the balance between the authority of the Sages with regard to Oral Torah and that which is Written. I'll refrain from stating more until you answer my two questions above.

Look, I'm no expert on these things - so please muffler, don't take offense.. this "holy" book reeks of Zionism.

No offense taken, Bleed. The biggest thing I would like to pass on to you is that spamming junk that others have attempted to raise before does not look good on you (you being anyone). It's best to work with primary source material and make sure the context is understood BEFORE attempting to fall according to fallacies.

Who was the author? The pharisees. We all know how Christs relationship with them went..

This is another non-sequitor. Now, if you want to discuss first century Pharisaic thought and ideology; then by all means, we can. Otherwise, I'm not going go down this path as I consider the Christian testament a fabrication with regard to first century Judaism.

I'm looking to learn some here, however, the violence in this "holy" book amazes me..

Are you seriously meaning this? Do you really want to learn about the Talmud? Furthermore, why does the "violence" in this book amaze you when you can read about all sorts of calamities of a more vicious nature in the Jewish Bible (your "old" testament)?

 

[Bleed S & G]

2) Why are you so quick to dismiss the Jesus references after raising them?

2 reasons...

1.) Because before posting, I did some research and saw that this was one thing that the defenders did. They said that they weren't speaking of Christ in these writtings.. and I'll buy that.

2.) It's not that important to me. It's to be expected for the time frame that was written and I'm more concerned about the geoncide and rape in this book as opposed to the (maybe) blasphemy.

1) From where did you get the plethora of passages that you presented in your OP?

Googled "Violence in the Talmud" - I actually emailed my old man the list I posted in here... so I took that list from my email and copied it over here.

The Talmud never attempts to "trump" the Torah.

Again:
Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah."

No offense taken, Bleed. The biggest thing I would like to pass on to you is that spamming junk that others have attempted to raise before does not look good on you (you being anyone).

Understood.. it's a "spotty" subject which is why I brought it here.. to see what all you bastards have to say.

Are you seriously meaning this? Do you really want to learn about the Talmud? Furthermore, why does the "violence" in this book amaze you when you can read about all sorts of calamities of a more vicious nature in the Jewish Bible (your "old" testament)?

I already know the OT. And yes, I do want to know about the Talmud. Specifically, what is it's function? I've never heard much about the Talmud, except from on BP, until I saw this video:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yApGEpmKk]YouTube - The Most Disgusting Religion Known To Man![/ame]

 

[muffler dragon]

2 reasons...

1.) Because before posting, I did some research and saw that this was one thing that the defenders did. They said that they weren't speaking of Christ in these writtings.. and I'll buy that.

2.) It's not that important to me. It's to be expected for the time frame that was written and I'm more concerned about the geoncide and rape in this book as opposed to the (maybe) blasphemy.

Okay.

Googled "Violence in the Talmud" - I actually emailed my old man the list I posted in here... so I took that list from my email and copied it over here.

My mistake in how I asked. I meant "what is your source for the passages?" Where did you get them from? A particular copy of the Talmud? An online translation?

Again:
Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah."

Like I said, this isn't a matter of trumping. This is a statement based on how to understand that which is Written. Halacha is a topic that is far advanced my studies, but trust me, there is a non-superiority way of understanding the phrase.

Understood.. it's a "spotty" subject which is why I brought it here.. to see what all you bastards have to say.

LOL!! Indeed.

I already know the OT. And yes, I do want to know about the Talmud. Specifically, what is it's function?

Okay. Here's a primer:

Judaism 101: Torah

The function is a matter of keeping a written history of the interpretations of the commandments in the Torah. (or at least, that's the ultra-simplified statement)

The Talmud has NOTHING to do with Gentiles since Gentiles are not commanded to fulfill all of the commandmants in the Torah.

 

[Bleed S & G]

My mistake in how I asked. I meant "what is your source for the passages?" Where did you get them from? A particular copy of the Talmud? An online translation?

Here, this isn't the one I had used before but contains I think most of them:
Truth About the Talmud: Judaism's Holiest Book

 

[Muck]

especially considering the capital of the anti-christs kingdom is infact, Jerusalem.

By "anti-christ" do you mean individuals who deny Jesus is the Son of God as described in the book of John?

 

[Bleed S & G]

By "anti-christ" do you mean individuals who deny Jesus is the Son of God as described in the book of John?

As described in book of John and pertaining to revelation..

The Jews are supposed to accept this person (anti-christ) as their Messiah, and he will be a political/military leader.

And the anti-christ is supposed to be jewish (blood lines back to David), military leader, politcal leader, he will rebuild the jewish temple, he will be King of the Jewish Nation, Jerusalem will be the capital of the world, he will come from the tribe of Dan, etc.

Perhaps all this crap with Islam was a brilliant distraction.. I mean, why are we (the US) such friends with them? I've heard because of $$$? To what extent is this true if at all? If so, watch for a false flag attack in the next couple years, shit may be going down with Iran and Isreal, and it may be the beginning of a world nuclear war.. it may be a fart in the wind, who knows.

 

[muffler dragon]

Here, this isn't the one I had used before but contains I think most of them:
Truth About the Talmud: Judaism's Holiest Book

I'll have to check this out when I get home, because my work's blocker gives the following error message:

Details of the web page you tried to access:

Address: Revisionist History: beyond the gatekeepers
Page: /talmudtruth.html

Categorized as: Intolerance & Hate

I must admit it doesn't sound like a reliable resource.

 

[muffler dragon]

The Jews are supposed to accept this person (anti-christ) as their Messiah, and he will be a political/military leader.

You do realize that that sounds rather internally contradictory, correct?:tongue2:

And the anti-christ is supposed to be jewish (blood lines back to David), military leader, politcal leader, he will rebuild the jewish temple, he will be King of the Jewish Nation, Jerusalem will be the capital of the world, he will come from the tribe of Dan, etc.

Couple key things:

1) the Jewish Messiah is not the anti-Jesus. It's a non-related issue.
2) Neither David nor the Jewish Messiah will come from the tribe of Dan. Instead, it's the tribe of Judah, and he'll be a descendent of David via Solomon.

 

[Bleed S & G]

I'll have to check this out when I get home, because my work's blocker gives the following error message:



I must admit it doesn't sound like a reliable resource.

indeed it doesn't!

1) the Jewish Messiah is not the anti-Jesus. It's a non-related issue.

Perhaps... but how do we know?

IMO, the Jewish Messiah was already here about 2,000 years ago...

The person who is King of the Jewish Nation who claims to be God is infact, the anti-christ of the Christians..

So I do think they are related.. I think the 12th Imam will be coming into play here as well... perhaps the false prophet?