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When does "great offense" equal crappy defense?

Discussion in 'College Football' started by Jake, Nov 29, 2008.

  1. Jake

    Jake zero point zero ‘17 The Deuce Champ '18 The Deuce Champ Fantasy Baseball Champ

    I know fans and the media get enamored with points but when does it become more about shitty defense than great offense?

    65-38?

    51-41?

    Gimme a fucking break.
     
  2. Jake

    Jake zero point zero ‘17 The Deuce Champ '18 The Deuce Champ Fantasy Baseball Champ

    I've had my fill of Arena football for one day. Tonight's games started well, but eventually turned out to be garbage football. Might as well watch the Dallas Desperados and the Philadelphia Soul in March.
     
  3. Basebuck

    Basebuck In Texas..

    When you play in the Big 12.
     
  4. Jake

    Jake zero point zero ‘17 The Deuce Champ '18 The Deuce Champ Fantasy Baseball Champ

    And the PAC 10, apparently.

    65-38

    61-41

    Arena football. No thanks. Play some fucking defense.
     
  5. Rookie

    Rookie Everybody's a critic

    high scoring offenses obviously get you the rankings, and the consideration of the best conference.
     
  6. NightmaresDad

    NightmaresDad Woody Rules!

    Well, T Tech scored 7 straight TDs against OK St, and OK just scored 7 out of 8 (with the other one a FG), so I think that would qualify as crappy defense by any definition.
    Funny thing is, you don't hear the media bozos talk about how OK St doesn't have the athletes, or are too slow, etc.

    Same with the Georgia game. GA Tech ran for over 400 yards against them - I don't think I heard anything about Georgia not having that elite ACC speed. I wonder why not?

    Want your offense to look good? Have them play a Big 12 or Pac 10 team (or Notre Dame)
    Want your defense to look good? Have them play most of the SEC or ACC (or, again, Notre Dame)

    But if a team looks good against a Big 10 team, why, it's because the Big 10 doesn't have the quality of athletes everybody else does.

    The best defense I watched today was USC (Alabama doesn't count because Auburn doesn't play offense)
    The second best I saw today was St Iggy.
     
  7. The answer to the original question posed by this thread is almost always.
     
  8. FrancisSoyer

    FrancisSoyer Junior

    I'm not an X's and O's guy so I'm not sure. Some of these offenses looked ridiculously good and some of the defenses looked ridiculously bad. One thing I'm sure of: Notre Dame is bad at both. I can't wait to see what the bowl games reveal about the top conferences.
     
  9. In the SEC, you could say the opposite.

    IMO, great SEC defense equals awful offense. How else did Auburn manage to win five games?
     
  10. What's more telling is that the pin-head voters had them in the top ten in the preseason, along with LSU. Biased as hell? You better believe it.

    Unfortunately, I have a feeling that one of two things is going to happen: either Florida's and Alabama's defenses are far worse than we think because they haven't played a team with an offensive pulse yet (sorry, Georgia) or the entire Big XII is a scam with offenses that look good on paper. Either way, the title game figures to be a blowout. It's just a matter of figuring out who the bigger fraud is.

    As much as I'm loath to admit it, I'm fairly certain USC could beat any of those teams by at least a touchdown. Too bad they won't get the chance.
     
  11. Jake

    Jake zero point zero ‘17 The Deuce Champ '18 The Deuce Champ Fantasy Baseball Champ

    Watch the highlights of Okie State-OU, Ducks-Beavs and GT-UGa and what you'll see on those big plays is awful tackling. Guys reaching with their arms, or going for the big shoulder bump so they can look down and talk trash...unless the guy bounces off and goes 60 yards. :shake:

    Squaring up to the ball carrier, lowering your shoulders, wrapping up and planting his ass on the ground is a lost art. I don't think it is even taught much anymore at upper college and pro levels, because no one wants a guy to get hurt in practice. Big money (that includes big time college ball) means the big stars need to be on the field, but if you practice soft, you play soft.

    I'm sure there are people out there who love 65-56 football games. I'm just not one of them.
     
  12. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Retired Super Hero

    Are you honestly going to tell me you predicted this season for LSU?


    On to the subject of the thread. It's a combination of both.
    The Big XII has some pretty good accurate passers and quality WRs throughout. The defenses are definitely pretty bad, but I don't think they're as terrible as these offense make them look, and vice versa.

    Same with the SEC (before this season).
    We have some pretty good defenses. But offensively until recently, most SEC schools ran old-school offeneses which by design doesn't run up and down the field putting up ridiculous amounts of points. So it makes a pretty good defense look phenomenal. And that pretty good defense makes that outdated offense look terrible.
     
  13. MaxBuck

    MaxBuck 2014 National Champions!

    I can't see how anyone can watch Alabama and Florida play this season and not come away impressed by their defenses.

    Actually, I think Ntre Dame has a pretty good D this season, too; their problem is that they are ALWAYS on the field, thanks to the distinct schematic advantage their offense suffers from.
     
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  14. lvbuckeye

    lvbuckeye Silver Surfer

    not buying the 'old school offense' argument for one second. Nebraska used to score 50+ PPG with their option. GaTech just put up 45 on UGA running the option. hell, the Gators run single wing option looks about half the time, and that offense is 80 years old. all they do is widen the gaps at the ends by about 10 yards. :p
     
  15. rock454

    rock454 Sophmore

    I would think that a great defense should be able to limit a great offense to less than 28, a good defense should limit a great offense to somewhere between 28 and 42, and anything above that has to be considered bad defense.
     

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