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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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dragurd;1547588; said:
I'm not going to begrudge him it yet. Holmes missed the first one he made up for it. We'll see if teddy has it in him to learn from that mistake and grab hold of it in the future.
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Teddy showed a lot of resilience in college, Im sure we will see the same from him in the pro's. He may not be a HOF receiver but he will be very good.
 
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masterj26 said:
That was a catchable ball regardless of who threw it. What does the QB have to do with that particular play? Teddy needs to make that play, that is what big time players do when it counts ala Holmes.
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The last ball was on all Teddy. I'm just stating- throughout his career, what QB has been able to take advantage of Ginn's best attributes at Wide Receiever?

Pennington certainly has not.

And he still had a good game.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1541647; said:
Getting Troy Smith would really make sense here. At least he can get your top ten pick the ball.
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I love Troy for what he did here, but I don't think he's a starter in the NFL, and when he played, he didn't show enough to change my, or many other's mind. He was the defacto starter going into last year only for lack of options, then Flacco took the job, struggled early on and they still didn't go back to him. Besides that, scUM hate aside, I think Henne's gonna be a pretty good NFL QB. He has the arm to get those weapons the ball...Pennington doesn't.

ant80;1547549; said:
Don't follow NFL much, so I have to ask after reading the past couple of pages. Is Henne injured? Why isn't he playing?
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They're bringing him along slowly, which is the smart thing to do. I think he's starting soon if Pennington continues to be mediocre.
 
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NFBuck;1547618; said:
I love Troy for what he did here, but I don't think he's a starter in the NFL, and when he played, he didn't show enough to change my, or many other's mind. He was the defacto starter going into last year only for lack of options, then Flacco took the job, struggled early on and they still didn't go back to him. Besides that, scUM hate aside, I think Henne's gonna be a pretty good NFL QB. He has the arm to get those weapons the ball...Pennington doesn't.
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Give me Troy over Henne any day. Henne didn't do anything in the preseason to show he's better than Troy.
 
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NFBuck;1547618; said:
I love Troy for what he did here, but I don't think he's a starter in the NFL, and when he played, he didn't show enough to change my, or many other's mind. He was the defacto starter going into last year only for lack of options, then Flacco took the job, struggled early on and they still didn't go back to him. Besides that, scUM hate aside, I think Henne's gonna be a pretty good NFL QB. He has the arm to get those weapons the ball...Pennington doesn't.
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JOE FLACCO SUCKS AND THE BALTIMORE COACHES ARE STUPID FOR USING HIM OVER TROY I MEAN COME ON FLACCO WENT TO DELAWARE STATE LOL

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Surprised we haven't seen any of that yet. Yet.
 
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masterj26;1547583; said:
That was a catchable ball regardless of who threw it. What does the QB have to do with that particular play? Teddy needs to make that play, that is what big time players do when it counts ala Holmes.
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holmes dropped a similar pass like that sunday in the steelers game vs the bears. TG needs a QB that can throw more than 20 yards. It makes it easy for the DB's when you don't have to worry about a pass more than 20 yards
 
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GoBux20;1547765; said:
holmes dropped a similar pass like that sunday in the steelers game vs the bears. TG needs a QB that can throw more than 20 yards. It makes it easy for the DB's when you don't have to worry about a pass more than 20 yards
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I agree, the Dolphins need a QB other than Noodle Arm to get him the ball down field. That drop cost them the game and was longer than 20 yards, it was about a 41 yard throw as I recall. Teddy was the 9th pick in the draft and needs to make plays like that one. He looks greatly improved this year, but when its a single catch that decides a win or lose you have to make the catch, end of story.
 
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Did you watch that throw though? Pennington had to get a running start and put his whole body into it to even get it there. There is no doubt Ginn should of caught that ball but it doesn't change the fact he's been limited because Pennington can't make some throws most college QB's can.
 
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Commentary: Dolphins receiver Ted Ginn Jr. is good, but not good enough
By DAVE GEORGE
Palm Beach Post Staff Columnist
Wednesday, September 23, 2009

DAVIE ? Eleven catches on Monday night, a career high, and all anybody can talk about is the potential game-winner that got away.

Are we being too tough on Ted Ginn Jr., advertised as the Miami Dolphins' most dangerous receiver?


What Ginn has to say about all of that is written all over his body in permanent ink.

Across his stomach a tattoo reads "Only God Can Judge Me," an indication that talk-show chatter won't wear him down.

On the inside of his left wrist, too, is the numeral "9." That's a reflection of the overall draft position where Miami took him in 2007, investing first-round gold in a wide receiver with shocking speed but, thus far, only four touchdown receptions in 34 NFL games.

If anything, the Dolphins aren't being tough enough on Ginn, for he has yet to match the grit of Miami's other leaders, or the Pro Bowl status of five players who were drafted after him in 2007's first round.

As for the potential 40-yard touchdown pass that hits target and then the ground in the final minute of Monday's 27-23 loss to Indianapolis, Ginn was tightly covered but not covered up. Chad Pennington put the ball right in Ginn's hands, both of them, and Indianapolis cornerback Jacob Lacey was in no real position to do anything about it.

Following that incompletion, Ginn kept Miami alive for a few more agonizing seconds with a fourth-down catch over the middle, but the game could already have been decided by then.

Fact is, with a legitimate No. 1 receiver working against an undrafted rookie, and using two full years of NFL experience to outposition and outleap the kid, it really should have been decided by then, in Miami's favor.

"The guy made a good play on the ball," Ginn said Wednesday, "but I should have come down with it. You know, if you're trying to be a big-time player, you've got to come down with that catch.

"It's something I'm going to remember. I'll always know that I needed to come down with that play to be 1-1. It's something I'll put in the back of my head and I'll be fine."

Fine but never quite fiery. Good but not good enough, for Ginn won't be anything special in this league until he shows the strength and the will to outwrestled defenders for contested balls, or at least sizzles his way into the scorebook returning kicks. The Dolphins had somebody else bringing back kickoffs and punts on Monday.

As for those career-high 11 catches Ginn made, including six for third-down conversions and another to keep the chains moving on fourth down, the majority came against a soft Colts coverage scheme vulnerable to short, safe sideline patterns and made for one-on-one improvisation.

The guy just doesn't get any yards after the catch on plays like that. On one maddening play just inside the two-minute warning Monday, he caught a 9-yard pass with no one around and immediately stepped out of bounds, 1 yard short of a first down. Stopped the clock, sure, but the Dolphins had to waste another play and a lot of time to pick up that final yard and keep the momentum going.

"I think Teddy gave us everything he had out there and tried to make the best effort he could with that football," said coach Tony Sparano, who goes easy on Ginn, just like Cam Cameron.

Not me. Not anymore. Ginn's getting nothing done after the catch, which is exactly how the Colts won that game on Monday. On top of that, he's only averaging 10.3 yards per reception. There are running backs in that statistical neighborhood.

Eleven catches. If that still doesn't seem like enough, you're not alone.
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Commentary: Dolphins receiver Ted Ginn Jr. is good, but not good enough

Sept. 23

Q: Ted Ginn may have had 108 yds but what about yards after catch? He plays way too soft. His first failed attempt at a catch in the end zone seemed like he had "alligator arms" and legs." Are the yards after catch so poor because of the receiver? Is Pennington not putting the ball in a spot that they can't run after the catch or is it the design of the play? Dennis, Huntington, N.Y.

A: Dennis, some receivers religiously turn the ball upfield after each catch and some go looking for the safety of the sideline. Ginn, at this stage of his career, clearly remains in the latter camp, and that's not a good thing. Ginn actually ducked out of bounds one yard shy of the first down, with no defenders within three yards, on a 9-yard grab on first and 10 from the minus 35 with about 1:40 remaining. Yes, you want to make sure you get out of bounds in that situation, but is it too much to ask to pick up the first down too?
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http://www.fox59.com/sfl-askharvey,0,4681095.story

Dolphins' Ted Ginn laments missed chances against Indianapolis
Mike Berardino
Sun Sentinel
September 23, 2009

DAVIE - Making a career-best 11 catches in the Miami Dolphins' loss to the Indianapolis Colts on Monday night felt good for Ted Ginn Jr.

Missing two catchable balls in the end zone, including a possible game-winner in the final minute, felt horrible.

Ginn admittedly had both hands on what could have been a 42-yard touchdown pass from Chad Pennington, but reserve cornerback Jacob Lacey leaped up and distracted Ginn just enough to cause the miss.

"Guy made a good play on the ball, but I should have come down with it," Ginn said today. "You're trying to be a big-time player, you've got to come down with that type of catch. Just something you'll always look back on and always strive to be better."

Ginn also "misjudged" a pass from Pennington early in the second quarter, forcing the Dolphins to settle for a field goal. "I thought I was close to the out of bounds farther than what I was," he said. "A receiver always wants to come down with every catch. Those two I missed."

Asked the last time he'd dropped a potential game-winning catch in the end zone, Ginn shook his head.

"I never had one," he said. "That was my first one. ? It's something you're going to remember because you're always going to say, 'I needed to come down with that catch and we'd be 1-1. It's just something I put in the back of my head and I'll be fine."
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-miami-dolphins-ted-ginn-092309,0,5660375.story
 
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