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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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3074326;1884818; said:
Nobody had an issue with Yahoo until Ohio State's name was brought up.
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I certainly did. Every single story that comes out without hard evidence--paper trail, audio recordings--is suspect and an indictment of the blog-era journalism of today, where speed and not accuracy is the key to making a name in the biz. If there's proof, so be it, the NCAA will rightly be involved again and Tressel and/or Smith would seem to be someone radically different from what I have believed them to be. But there's got to be some serious corroboration of the implications of this Yahoo report to make it seem any more legit--and even with a named source, he-said/she-said against Tressel just doesn't stand.

Like you said, you're defensive of journalists because of who you are: I'm suspicious of internet journalists because of who they are. You are free to think the world of an organization of Yahoo/Rivals, but that's not a view I personally have ever shared. But heck, even ESPN and CNN and [insert major network news here] were reputable and trustworthy--until they weren't.
 
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SCBuck13;1884823; said:
There is just too much dirt here to try and ignore the story.
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There is a lot of truth to that statement. I don't think this story was handled well from a PR standpoint from the get go. It really has not reflected favorably on Gene Smith or OSU. If anything, their response raised more questions, which is never a good thing. I just wish they would have admitted wrong, suspended these players for the bowl game and part of next season, and come clean. The cover up is what can kill a team.

All this being said, the allegations coming out today don't concern me all that much on this article alone. If Yahoo has something, they are going to start dropping articles left and right with stronger evidence.....at that point I become very concerned.
 
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If this is true, it doesn't matter what evidence Yahoo does or doesn't have. Ohio State is in a bad position because they don't know if there's anything else out there. So if its true, can they/Tressel possibly deny it w/out knowing if they'll be digging a deeper hole.

If its not true, OSU and Tressel need to come out and stamp it down. Not tommorrow afternoon. Not after breakfast. As soon as possible.
 
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BayBuck;1884832; said:
I certainly did. Every single story that comes out without hard evidence--paper trail, audio recordings--is suspect and an indictment of the blog-era journalism of today, where speed and not accuracy is the key to making a name in the biz. If there's proof, so be it, the NCAA will rightly be involved again and Tressel and/or Smith would seem to be someone radically different from what I have believed them to be. But there's got to be some serious corroboration of the implications of this Yahoo report to make it seem any more legit--and even with a named source, he-said/she-said against Tressel just doesn't stand.

Like you said, you're defensive of journalists because of who you are: I'm suspicious of internet journalists because of who they are.
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Yahoo is a major news source, not a group of internet journalists blogging from their parents' basement. And what you said about the stories that come out with hard evidence certainly doesn't apply to Yahoo. They've done a good job with their reporting. I can't recall any stories of this magnitude that they ran without evidence.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. I'd love for Yahoo to go against all the other major stories I've seen the write and publish one without much evidence - I just find it very unlikely based on what they've done so far.

I think we're all on the same page here. This sucks, we hope it's not true and we'd be surprised if Tressel lied.

EDIT: Just saw your edit. I'll respect Yahoo's legitimacy until they give me a reason not to (like ESPN). I'm hoping this story is the reason.
 
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3074326;1884818; said:
Nobody had an issue with Yahoo until Ohio State's name was brought up. Now they're only out to tear people down and are probably not credible.
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Most of us have a problem with cowardly journalists who hide behind unnamed, unidentified sources ... put out an article which consists of a single completely unsubstantiated allegation ... and then don't even bother to get the other side of the story before publication.
 
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Lotta ins, lotta outs to this case, guys. Fortunately, I'm maintaining a...uhh, strict drug regimen to keep my mind limber.
 
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OH10;1884792; said:
I'm very interested to hear from Tressel. Yahoo has a terrific reputation, but their story is only as credible as their source. I trust Jim Tressel and I will believe whatever he says tommorrow - and that could possibly include an admission. We shall see.

If we don't hear from JT, I will take silence as an admission.
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Agreed, except for the silence part.
 
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billmac91;1884830; said:
Is this serious?
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Not really. But for Yahoo to have something more solid in this scenario, then the former player was the "concerned party" and Yahoo's "source" must have witnessed the former player's exhange with Tressel. If Yahoo confirmed the story with the "concerned party" then they might have enough to run the story.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1884837; said:
Most of us have a problem with cowardly journalists who hide behind unnamed, unidentified sources ... put out an article which consists of a single completely unsubstantiated allegation ... and then don't even bother to get the other side of the story before publication.
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Understandable, but I don't think this is an example of a journalist being cowardly and hiding behind a source. Sounds like a source being cowardly and hiding behind a journalist. Yahoo only brings its credibility into question by citing an unnamed source, which is why I think there's actually something wrong here. I think it was billmac who speculated that it might be an old player/disgruntled player or something.. that makes a lot of sense.

The good thing is that if there is some meat there.. we'll probably find out who the source is. The bad news is that means there's meat. Yahoo would just come off looking terrible by running this with nothing. I don't see the point in that.
 
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If the story is accurate, then Tressel knows the identity of the "concerned person" because they supposedly had a conversation about the trinket sales. If the concerned person believed he was being stonewalled, why didn't that person or the source use the EthicsPoint Reporting System to involve compliance in conjunction with an outside auditor? And please spare me the "he/she may not have known of this reporting vehicle" because fans from other schools have been using this since it was originally established. Too many loose ends here, but one thing is certain - the facts will come out.
 
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3074326;1884843; said:
Understandable, but I don't think this is an example of a journalist being cowardly and hiding behind a source. Sounds like a source being cowardly and hiding behind a journalist.
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Well, then maybe the journalist should show some integrity and not run the story. One unnamed source, zero hard evidence, and no chance for Ohio State to respond, all occurring nearly a year after the alleged incident - but you see no problem with that?
 
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Well said LJB.


This doesn't seem all that important at the current moment but even if this is nkt true you have to imagine Tressel is getting sick of this. I guess the truth will probably come out soon enough, or else Yahoo never really had much of a story did they?
 
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they act like this was a heist ala ocean's eleven.

"merchandise scheme"

sensationalism at it's finest.

bringing up the b.s pryor traffic stops to pile on.

saying tressel knew as a fact without even getting his side.


they better have something big or screw them
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1884806; said:
Or, just to play devil's advocate here, perhaps Yahoo has an alterior motive in all of this...

Yahoo itself is having financial issues. It's clearly been surpassed by Google and Bing is also biting into it.

Add to that they generate revenue from ads much like a lot of other sites do. How do you get a spike in it? Take on the biggest fanbase and one of the most successful/hated schools in the nation.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Eng...d-Damage-Microsoft-Bing-in-Google-War-505033/

I can do the anonymous source thing too :biggrin:
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Not only Yahoo has its credibility on the line...so does Dan Wetzel. Even if Yahoo goes the way of the dodo, Wetzel is going to need another job. If he wants a decent job he will need some level of credibility. Lobbing a serious accusation at an otherwise well-regarded coach of a major program is not going to help that case.
 
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