2005 Winter Conditioning (official thread)

[spraguezilla]

Thanks Rock3tm4nn, Good read. I think Troy really is genuinly sorry for what has happened, not Pete Rose sorry and telling everyone what they want to hear so he can get back into the game. He is paying for his mistake (albeit a huge one) and obviously from this article trying to make amends with the team for what he has done. As a fan I welcome him back with open arms and can't wait for his suspension to be over with.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Speaking of Pitcock, he's a lot faster than you'd think. Two plays stand out to me:

1.) The long screen pass to Hart in The Game. Pitcock was about 2-3 yards behind him and to the inside of the field, and ran nearly step for step with Hart.

2.) The play he made on Oklahoma State's fake FG in the Alamo Bowl, where he ran down and tackled the runner.

or the fact he blocked 14 punts in high school.

my point i believe was taken that often times pictures can be deceptive. this big boy can move. he was 6-3 295 last year.

 

[Oneshot]

He blocked FOURTEEN PUNTS? My god...

 

[martinss01]

The junior, who started the final five games of the regular season for OSU last year while accumulating a 4-1 record, said he had apologized to his teammates.

"First and foremost, as a leader on the team, it was an apology because I let my guys down," Smith said. "But life goes on. The decisions we make are the decisions that make us."

That came as news to junior wide receiver Santonio Holmes, who expressed his wish that Smith make amends with the team.

"It would be a great thing for him to apologize to the team just to let the guys know that he cares about us and he still wants to be part of this team and he doesn't want anybody look at him different, but if he doesn't, you live life," Holmes said.

Told of Smith's earlier words to the media, Holmes said, "if he can address that to the team next 6 a.m. (practice), that would be a great thing."

not my business nor my place to judge. but lip service to the media does not = an apology to the team. seems at least one guy on the offense didn't hear him apologize. maybe next time he will speak up...

 

[strohs]

Good to see Santonio stepping up as a leader on this team.

I cant wait until the season starts!!!

 

[bukIpower]

haha thanks for the kind words about me explaining the drill! haha I prolly did make myself out to be alittle dumb! Anyways, I believe troy thinks he's done, and in what situations do you guys see troy the starter next year?

 

[martinss01]

haha thanks for the kind words about me explaining the drill! haha I prolly did make myself out to be alittle dumb! Anyways, I believe troy thinks he's done, and in what situations do you guys see troy the starter next year?

i think he has a reasonable shot winning the job back come mid season if he truely is the better qb.

 

[smithlabs]

Those pictures of Smith are impressive. If I were built like that I wouldn't wear a shirt - ever. It seems like he is working hard and trying to make amends. It also seems like Tressel is starting to listen when he denies that Smith is the low man on the totem pole. I can't help but think about another OSU athlete who refused to apologize for his wrong doings and seems to have gotten a little soft during his (albeit long) suspension. Tressel never did open up to that kid like his appears to be forgiving Smith.

Smithlabs

 

[martinss01]

Those pictures of Smith are impressive. If I were built like that I wouldn't wear a shirt - ever. It seems like he is working hard and trying to make amends. It also seems like Tressel is starting to listen when he denies that Smith is the low man on the totem pole. I can't help but think about another OSU athlete who refused to apologize for his wrong doings and seems to have gotten a little soft during his (albeit long) suspension. Tressel never did open up to that kid like his appears to be forgiving Smith.

Smithlabs

"It would be a great thing for him to apologize to the team just to let the guys know that he cares about us and he still wants to be part of this team and he doesn't want anybody look at him different, but if he doesn't, you live life," Holmes said.

please read that. that is santonio holmes saying that smith HAS NOT apologized to the team to his knowledge. this quote was taken after smiths interview.

now that doesn't mean smith hasn't attempted to apologize to the team. but if a guy like santonio says, "it wasn't good enough". you best step up and make it good enough.

 

[daddyphatsacs]

Sounds like there is still a little animosity between Smith and some team members, Troy is going to have to earn their respect back. Apologizing through the press will not cut it.

 

[jwinslow]

Actually, troy smith has yet to make Santonio feel he has apologized. Beyond that we know very little. What we have heard from Tressel, Brandon Mitchell, and Ted Ginn Sr was that Smith ahd apologized to the team. Perhaps Santonio wants more of an apology, and while I'm not saying Smith should not give one, I'm saying that we do not know the whole story. Tressel seems to still have his trust in Smith and I bet that most of the team does as well. Either way, I doubt that Smith is as standoffish about the issue towards his teammates. He probably apologized to them once, perhaps not as thoroughly as he should have, and now is trying to move on and doesn't want to revisit that (would you? at least in terms fo the media).

 

[martinss01]

Sounds like there is still a little animosity between Smith and some team members, Troy is going to have to earn their respect back. Apologizing through the press will not cut it.

i think a mistake a lot of people make is taking what tressel says as being the blunt and complete truth. not that he is untrustworthy or anything. but he isn't the type of guy who is going to walk out on a national stage with everyone watching and be brutally honest.

if (and im being 100% hypothetical here) ts wasn't doing things the right way, tressel isn't going to tell abc ts is a fuck up and isn't worth his time even if he were. he's going to say ts is working hard and trying to do things the right way and wants to get back on the field. and they will have to see how things turn out. then deal with ts on a private level.

so i think you have to take what tressel says with a grain of salt. not because he is being dishonest. but because he isn't going to say something that might hurt one of his players. even if it is truthful.

think about it, if tressel were opening the season against the midwest school for the blind he is going to say something along the lines of, "we are playing a bunch of tough kids who work really hard. this is going to be a really good test for us and i think this is going to be a tough game. it should be a tough battle for 4 quarters." during his pregame interview. he's the same way with everything he deals with. its not a lie, but its not the blunt truth either. i get the feeling alot of people take it as such.

 

[BuckeyeFanatic]

This sounds more like Holmes to me

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By Dave Biddle Assistant Editor
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The Woody Hayes Athletic Center was open for business at 6 a.m. Tuesday as Ohio State began its winter workouts. We have comments from Jim Tressel, Troy Smith, Santonio Holmes, Anthony Schlegel, Brandon Mitchell, and Nate Salley on the early workout sessions and much more. <o:p></o:p>

Holmes is good friends with Smith and says the QB will be able to earn back his teammates’ trust. <o:p></o:p>

“I think so, because he came in and he earned his respect for winning games for us,” Holmes said. “Coming in and doing things that haven’t been done at the quarterback position and just being himself is what got him here. And I think if he keeps doing that, I think he’ll be all right.” <o:p></o:p>

 

[IrontonBuck]

think about it, if tressel were opening the season against the midwest school for the blind he is going to say something along the lines of, "we are playing a bunch of tough kids who work really hard. this is going to be a really good test for us and i think this is going to be a tough game. it should be a tough battle for 4 quarters." during his pregame interview. he's the same way with everything he deals with. its not a lie, but its not the blunt truth either. i get the feeling alot of people take it as such.

Bingo, martins. Some people don't understand Tressel's preference for keeping his honest opinions to himself, and they also aren't able to decipher his real opinion from what he does say. One incident that sticks out to me is when he was asked if he had read the NY Times article about academic fraud, and he answered no. Some writers called him a liar. Some writers believed him, but said that he was incompetent for not reading it. I took from his answer that he wasn't going to recognize the existence of that total piece of libelous trash. That's what he said, IMO, and I believe the writers knew what he meant, too.

I think that's part of why some in the media don't like Tressel. He can communicate very sharp messages in a very nice way.

 

[martinss01]

Bingo, martins. Some people don't understand Tressel's preference for keeping his honest opinions to himself, and they also aren't able to decipher his real opinion from what he does say. One incident that sticks out to me is when he was asked if he had read the NY Times article about academic fraud, and he answered no. Some writers called him a liar. Some writers believed him, but said that he was incompetent for not reading it. I took from his answer that he wasn't going to recognize the existence of that total piece of libelous trash. That's what he said, IMO, and I believe the writers knew what he meant, too.

I think that's part of why some in the media don't like Tressel. He can communicate very sharp messages in a very nice way.

if you really listen to him you can tell he is one very intelligent man. not really for what he says, but for what the media can't get him to say. the media doesn't like him because he is far more intelligent than any reporter that has gone up against him to date. he flat out will not say what they want him to say. they have yet to get him to contradict himself, they have yet to lead him into any form of trap, and they have yet to get him to badmouth ANYONE. which considering his tenur to date is beyond amazing.

BuckeyeFanatic, im not sure where you are going with that exactly. i never thought holmes hated smith, i think he just would like an apology. which i think is reasonable.

ts owes these guys an apology that meets their "reasonable" satisfaction. if holmes thinks he hasn't received that, as a man i think you need to step up and do the right thing. i have no doubts that ts has already/will do this.

i pointed it out simply because the mass majority in similar threads believe with 100% certainty that ts HAS apologized and that everyone HAS forgiven and forgotten at this point. holmes by his own admission is a close friend of ts and holmes does NOT believe that to be the case. while i think these two guys are mature adults and will handle this situation with class. it just frustrates me when people hear tressel say 3 words about ts and suddenly they start stating that tressel thinks ts is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

id say, "read between the lines" with him, but tressel is so good at this shit he really doesn't give you any lines to read between...