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2008 Bracketology Discussion

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crazybuckfan40;1114687; said:
Why is K-State a lock...This is the one team that has been overrated all season IMO...Mainly because of Beasley, and yes he is a good player and they have the one big win over Kansas, but look at their resume...

10-6 in conference looks really good until you look at it a little harder...

Only played Texas once at home
Played aTm once at home...Win...But what if they go on the road...
Okie only once...I believe without Griffin...
Baylor once...loss...

So of the top 5 teams other than them in the conference they only played Kansas once and went 3-3 in those 6 games...Pretty solid, but figure out that they went 7-3 against the bottom feeders, losses against Nebraska, Ttech, and Mizzou...So they got to play the bottom 6 ten times...So they doubled up on 3 of them...So overall the conference record is a little misleading...

Now take a look at their non conference and it gets even uglier...Losses against George Mason, Oregon, @ Xavier(crushed), @ ND...Not another game against a tourney team and the only decent team on the slate was Cal who they beat...

So if you look at them vs. us...We have wins over Michigan St. and Purdue which compare to aTm and Okie...They have the win over Kansas on us, but we have the wins over Florida and Syracuse who are both bubble teams OOC...

Played a much tougher non-conference schedule...Played tougher in conference schedule as we had 7 tough games against teams in the top 25...We went 2-5 which isn't as impressive as 3-3 they did, but throw in the wins over Florida and cuse and you put that at 4-5...Then factor in our bad losses in conference against Iowa, Michigan, Minny to their losses to Ttech, nebraska, mizzou and you are even...

I would just be curious if someone could explain to me the reason why we are on the bubble and Kstate is solidly in...I am not saying in anyway that Kstate doesn't deserve to be in but put us side by side with them things don't look that much different...

Don't get me started on Oregon and Zona...
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I think the Michael Beasly factor is a lot bigger than anyone will ever know. There is no way that the player of the year will not make the NCAA if they are a bubble team. You can compare SOS, RPI, Top 100 wins....but you can also look at players. They take injuries into consideration, why not take the Player of the Year into consideration.
 
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Tlangs;1114816; said:
I think the Michael Beasly factor is a lot bigger than anyone will ever know. There is no way that the player of the year will not make the NCAA if they are a bubble team. You can compare SOS, RPI, Top 100 wins....but you can also look at players. They take injuries into consideration, why not take the Player of the Year into consideration.
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Tyler Hansbrough might have something to say about that :wink2:

But then again......he might not
 
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MD Buckeye;1114818; said:
Tyler Hansbrough might have something to say about that :wink2:

But then again......he might not
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I think that both Hansbrough and Beasly are both deserving. I'm sure they will both win some Player of the Year awards from different organizations.
 
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Tlangs;1114829; said:
I think that both Hansbrough and Beasly are both deserving. I'm sure they will both win some Player of the Year awards from different organizations.
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I agree with you there. Personally, I would give it to Hansbrough over Beasly. Hansbrough kept UNC rolling even when Lawson went down.
 
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Best RPI page I have found is 2008 College Basketball Ratings Percentage Index (RPI). Also has the Pomeroy power ratings.

Miami is pretty much a lock, but a loss today could potentially knock them back onto the bubble. For what its worth, for all the ACC love, Miami is only the fourth ACC team, and a conference with 2 of the top 5 teams in the country would normally get a 4th team in, at least.

Also agree with Tlangs about the Beasley factor. I think the fact that he is so good and so popular will give K-State an advantage over similar teams. But to be fair, K-State and tOSU have identical 7-10 records vs the Top 100, but those are the only games KSU has lost, whereas our losses to Michigan and Iowa stick out.
 
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BengalsAndBucks;1115040; said:
But to be fair, K-State and tOSU have identical 7-10 records vs the Top 100, but those are the only games KSU has lost, whereas our losses to Michigan and Iowa stick out.
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Good point
 
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