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2008 Bracketology Discussion

Well, after a disastrous Monday, no bad news on the bubble front Tuesday night as Western Kentucky and Butler both took care of business. WKU was a long-shot for an at-large anyways, but better that they just took the auto with South Alabama already out of the race. Butler losing would have been terrible for bubblers, as they were an at-large lock, but they took care of Cleveland State.

Wednesday's bubble games to watch:

Villanova vs. Syracuse (at MSG): While neither of these teams could secure an at-large with a win here, a loss would be devastating to either's tournament hopes. Tough to gage who we want here- Syracuse has a better shot at an at-large with a win than Villanova, but Syracuse winning makes us beating them look that much better. Either one of these teams would have to beat Georgetown in the next round to get serious consideration, but given Syracuse's propensity for Big East tourney runs, I'm gonna root for Villanova.

Dayton vs. Saint Louis: Dayton is still a bit of a tourney long shot, but I would rather the committee not be debating them too hard, as they have a good RPI (34), SOS (41), and the all-powerful injury card in their corner. They would probably have to beat Xavier in the next round to merit serious consideration, but I would prefer it not get that far. Go SLU.

Fordham vs. St. Joseph's: St. Joe's still has a heartbeat, but its faint. Best that Fordham went ahead and ended it here.

Providence vs. WVU: WVU is pretty much a lock right now. A very bad loss here might change that, but its still unlikely. But them losing is better for us than them winning, so go Friars.

Arizona vs. Oregon State: Arizona has a pretty good looking profile, except for the 17-13 record in D1 games. A loss here would really hurt their chances, but considering OSU's 6-24 overall and 0-18 PAC-10 records, I'm not holding my breath. Still, go Beavers.


And of course, all of this means shit unless we beat Michigan State Friday.
 
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UD won in overtime by 1 point.

Chris Wright did not play and it sounds like he won't play at all in the A-10 Tourney. The injury card will not help the Flyers since usually the injured player has to return and the team play well for a few games. The injury card actually hurts the Flyers because the committe has to assume that he won't be an impact player if he returns. Dayton is 13-1 with him and 8-8 without him. The team that is trying to get in the toruney is the 8-8 team.

If UD beats X that is bad news for OSU. It would be tough for the committee to leave out Dayton since their RPI would drop to the low 30's. I beleive there has been only 2 teams not make the dance with an RPI under 35 (and a respectable SOS) in the last 5 years.

2005- all teams with RPI under 40 made it.
Missouri State in 2006- lost in the first round of their conf tournament.
Air Force in 2007- lost in the first round of their conf tournament.

Hofstra in 2006 (irrelevant because their SOS was 129)
 
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Tlangs;1114164; said:
UD won in overtime by 1 point.

Chris Wright did not play and it sounds like he won't play at all in the A-10 Tourney. The "injury" card is now a moot point since usually the injured player has to return and the team play well for a few games with him.

If UD beats X that is bad news for OSU. It would be tough for the committee to leave out Dayton since their RPI would drop to the low 30's. I beleive there has been only 1 team not make the dance with an RPI under 35 in the last 5 years.
I would not think that they have much of a shot at X without Wright. X would have too much firepower for them without Wright.
 
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Tlangs;1114164; said:
UD won in overtime by 1 point.

Chris Wright did not play and it sounds like he won't play at all in the A-10 Tourney. The injury card will not help the Flyers since usually the injured player has to return and the team play well for a few games. The injury card actually hurts the Flyers because the committe has to assume that he won't be an impact player if he returns. Dayton is 13-1 with him and 8-8 without him. The team that is trying to get in the toruney is the 8-8 team.

If UD beats X that is bad news for OSU. It would be tough for the committee to leave out Dayton since their RPI would drop to the low 30's. I beleive there has been only 2 teams not make the dance with an RPI under 35 (and a respectable SOS) in the last 5 years.

2005- all teams with RPI under 40 made it.
Missouri State in 2006- lost in the first round of their conf tournament.
Air Force in 2007- lost in the first round of their conf tournament.

Hofstra in 2006 (irrelevant because their SOS was 129)

They were up 11 with about 4 mins left
 
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LitlBuck;1114170; said:
I would not think that they have much of a shot at X without Wright. X would have too much firepower for them without Wright.


I agree 100%. I am season ticket holder and attended the XU vs. UD game at UD Arena where they have an enourmous home court advantage. UD played a near perfect game and lost by 6. X can run 3 or 4 different guys at Brian Roberts and have proven over the years that they can take him out of a game.

Picture an OSU game where Butler scores 6 or 10 points and that is exactly what UD will look like against X.
 
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Sporting News: Projecting the field of 65

Projecting the field of 65: So much to do, so little time for bubble teams

March 12, 2008

Ryan Fagan

Of course, this is based on accomplishments through Tuesday, not a prediction of what the final seeds will be at the end of the conference tournaments.

Thought of the day: With San Diego, George Mason and Western Kentucky stealing berths, those big-money teams suddenly have a lot more work to do in the conference tournament. That's you, Ohio State, Oregon, Syracuse, Arizona and Arizona State. And the rest of you know who you are, too.

No. 1 seeds: Memphis (C-USA), North Carolina (ACC), Tennessee (SEC), UCLA (Pac-10)

No. 2 seeds: Texas (Big 12), Kansas, Duke, Georgetown (Big East)

No. 3 seeds: Xavier (A-10), Louisville, Stanford, Wisconsin (Big Ten)

No. 4 seeds: Connecticut, Notre Dame, Indiana, Purdue

No. 5 seeds: *Drake (Missouri Valley), Vanderbilt, Michigan State, Marquette

[...]

On the cusp: Dayton, Southern Illinois, Saint Joseph's, Maryland, UAB, Florida, New Mexico, Virginia Tech, VCU, Ohio State, South Alabama
 
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Real Time RPI

This site has been extremely accurate throughout the year.
UDPRIDE.COM Division I Mens Basketball R P I

As of 2:20 today it has:
Dayton at 29 with an SOS of 41
WVU at 37 with an SOS of 56
OSU at 48 with an SOS of 21
Villanova at 50 with an SOS of 52
St Joseph at 57 with an SOS of 59

Based on these numbers alone, I'd give OSU and UD the nod over those other teams....of course I may be biased.:wink2:
 
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Most people have WVU as a lock at this point, thanks to their 11-7 record in the best conference in the country. If they lose this game to Providence that might change things, but they are still looking better than UD or tOSU at this point.
 
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BengalsAndBucks;1114244; said:
Most people have WVU as a lock at this point, thanks to their 11-7 record in the best conference in the country. If they lose this game to Providence that might change things, but they are still looking better than UD or tOSU at this point.

If WVU goes down against Providence it definitely helps....plus they struggled against St. John's last week (who is terrible). IMO, tOSU would take it to WVU.
 
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I think we still have to have to get a win vs. MSU- but even if we don't- we have a strong chance, and what should be a leg up on UF.

Looks like Cuse is out after that.

Nova could also fall if they don't win their next one.
 
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