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2018 QB Battle Discussion

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Hstead said:
If you guys thought defenses foeced JT to carry the ball on the read option, just wait when Haskins tries to run it.
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I don’t think a single person advocating for Haskins wants to see him run read option. If Meyer forces him to consistently do that it will be a huge mistake.

If Meyer absolutely insists on keeping read option plays, that’s what the Martell packages are for.

Edit: In fact, I think the one-two punch of Haskins running a base Wilson/Day themed passing attack, combined with Martell coming in to run a read option based RPO attack would be an absolute nightmare for defenses to prepare for each week and could be highly successful.
 
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Hstead said:
In the college game, I still want a QB that can run the football to even the numbers in the box. Saban has had to adapt and use a running QB as well. Nearly every good college football team has a dual threat QB. Uga may be the closest thing to a more pro offense with less QB runs.

If you guys thought defenses foeced JT to carry the ball on the read option, just wait when Haskins tries to run it. Defenses will absolutely dare him to run every play and two guys will be assigned to the RB vs just one. They will not let our RBs hurt them. It will be a disaster. Same with the RPO. We will be playing more 10 on 11.

I believe Burrow makes our backs better. He will have to be at least accounted for in the run game. Teams will still play the give, but Joe can definitely hurt you badly with his legs.

I still think it is going to be incredibly tight in the fall. With a big "if" we have both guys on the roster in the fall, which I hope we do.
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Defenses were loading the box because they didn't respect JT as a passer, Haskins or Burrow will have them running away from the line of scrimmage. And they better because whoever starts at QB will be a major threat over the top.
 
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Taosman said:
Defenses were loading the box because they didn't respect JT as a passer, Haskins or Burrow will have them running away from the line of scrimmage. And they better because whoever starts at QB will be a major threat over the top.
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ok good... so defenses have to respect the pass... now dont you think that passing will go even better if they have to dedicate one extra defender to making sure the QB doesnt take off running? I agree I want less QB runs in the offense, but I still want the defense to be handicapped by having to worry about both options.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
I think the exact opposite: being talented, letting it fly, and scoring a bunch of points can make up for some really bad turnovers.

Turnovers are going to happen (the point of my original post), let’s put a guy on the field that can make some amazing plays, hopefully a whole lot more of them, to balance out the turnovers.
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Deshaun Watson throwing 17 INTs in 2016 is an example of this.
 
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Hstead said:
In the college game, I still want a QB that can run the football to even the numbers in the box. Saban has had to adapt and use a running QB as well. Nearly every good college football team has a dual threat QB. Uga may be the closest thing to a more pro offense with less QB runs.

If you guys thought defenses foeced JT to carry the ball on the read option, just wait when Haskins tries to run it. Defenses will absolutely dare him to run every play and two guys will be assigned to the RB vs just one. They will not let our RBs hurt them. It will be a disaster. Same with the RPO. We will be playing more 10 on 11.

I believe Burrow makes our backs better. He will have to be at least accounted for in the run game. Teams will still play the give, but Joe can definitely hurt you badly with his legs.

I still think it is going to be incredibly tight in the fall. With a big "if" we have both guys on the roster in the fall, which I hope we do.
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I get what you're saying about running the option, but there's Tate for that...and you have to keep him engaged or he's gone. I heard the talk of moving him to the H, but I highly doubt he's going to be catching passes. Doesn't make sense and goes against what we've seen with Urban.

Also, there are other running plays besides the read-option. Also other ways of running the read-option. With Dwayne at QB, instead of him running, they'll just package it with a throw.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
I think most of us are ready for a change to the offensively predictable offense.
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Well, I think some of that "predictability" was predicated on having the same QB the past 4 years. As great a leader as JTB was, his strengths dictated a lot of the play calling and he never became an anticipatory thrower. The coaches went to his strengths in tight situations and it became predicatable. Neither Burrow or Haskins play similarly to JTB.

Again, I couldn't care less who the starter is and either is fine by me, but I don't think its reasonable to believe that Meyer and Wilson aren't going to be using the spread/zone read offense. They want 3-4 receivers on the field at all times which means iso runs and drop back passing aren't part of the package. They think this style puts more pressure on the D and utilizing the QB as a running threat is part of that philosophy. Whether thats true or not, or the best way to win a title is certainly up for debate, but its what our coaches believe.
 
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wigmon said:
Watson ran the ball 21 times in the national title game (more runs than JTB had in any game last year). No INTs in 56 attempts in that game, 7.5 yards per attempt. They took the short stuff and kept the defense on its toes with QB runs, but he didn't make any mistakes in the passing game.
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And Haskins didn’t turn the ball over when he led the team to victory against Michigan. No one is saying that they want Haskins to turn the ball over.
 
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wigmon said:
Watson ran the ball 21 times in the national title game (more runs than JTB had in any game last year). No INTs in 56 attempts in that game, 7.5 yards per attempt. They took the short stuff and kept the defense on its toes with QB runs, but he didn't make any mistakes in the passing game.
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Uhhh...ok? They had a great gameplan, he executed it on the biggest stage of the year, and reduced his turnovers. That's exactly what you want...right?

Also, he was almost decapitated on about 14 of those 21 runs. I wouldn't suggest that gameplan for many QBs.

Not sure why you compared Deshaun's 21 carries to anything JT did last year. Has nothing to do with each other. JT had a game of 30 carries in 2016...so what?
 
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Hstead said:
If you guys thought defenses foeced JT to carry the ball on the read option, just wait when Haskins tries to run it. Defenses will absolutely dare him to run every play and two guys will be assigned to the RB vs just one. They will not let our RBs hurt them. It will be a disaster. Same with the RPO. We will be playing more 10 on 11.
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...and yet, somehow, Haskins went 4-for-4 on scoring drives against the same scUM defense that had stymied Barrett from the opening kickoff until he went down well into the 3rd quarter. Oh, our RBs had some nice runs when Haskins was behind center as well.
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
Uhhh...ok? They had a great gameplan, he executed it on the biggest stage of the year, and reduced his turnovers. That's exactly what you want...right?

Also, he was almost decapitated in about 14 of those 21 runs. I wouldn't suggest that gameplan for many QBs.

Not sure why you compared Deshaun's 21 carries to anything JT did last year. Has nothing to do with each other. JT had a game of 30 carries in 2016...so what?
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Correct, the game plan was to hit the short stuff, take a few shots down the field and run the QB. Just pointing out that it wasn't Watsons ability to hit the 15 yard out consistently that was successful in that game. IT was short passes and the QB run keeping the defense on its toes. They used the assets of a running QB and for the most part, short passes to win that game even though they had 3 legitimate deep threat receivers on that team.
 
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jwinslow said:
Right, gambling and hoping in Haskins after Barrett's ceiling makes sense. Burrow has the potential to be a rich man's Barrett, and is a more well rounded talent than any of the QBs on roster for this scheme.

Urban is always challenging and using the media to motivate his guys. It seems clear there is a need to step up as a leader from Dwayne (not that he's unfit, just hasn't seized it).
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Good points..

It does seem Burrow has more of a leadership edge on Haskins. That said Burrow just doesn't turn the ball over and when you have a running game like ours that's IMO all we need.

We don't need to throw for 300 yards. Besides Burrow had a dynamic HS career, is the better runner, was the starter before he got hurt, and has shown he can push the ball downfield too.

Arm strength IMO just shouldn't trump that much.. either way we will be good but I definately fear the turnovers that Haskins has show he will make. May cost us a game and if it's the wrong game a shot at the overall goals (big ten champs or national champs)
 
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Taosman said:
Defenses were loading the box because they didn't respect JT as a passer, Haskins or Burrow will have them running away from the line of scrimmage. And they better because whoever starts at QB will be a major threat over the top.
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I agree... and with our two running backs play action will just be impossible when you also consider we didn't lose 1 receiver.

Either way our offense should be disguisting
 
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