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BCS Bashing/SEC Shutout (Merged)

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You can agree with him all you like, but the evidence doesn't support the argument. Auburn opened the year at 74 in one poll, 80 in another. USC and OU were in the top 5. Auburn moved as high as they could - 3rd - so the only way the OOC argument flies is if you believe the voters would've leapfrogged AU over OU or USC because of their schedule. History shows the voters don't work that way. If you're #1 at the start, and win, you'll stay there. Auburn had no chance, due to the system.
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That may be the case, I am not arguing that, just that Auburn is where they shoud be. Maybe if they would've played decent teams and won they could then be upset, but for now they are exactly where they should be. Who's to say if htey did play better teams they would be undefeated, it's ahrd to do the if's and buts game.
 
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osugrad21 said:
So even if the polls were started five weeks into the season, Oklahoma and USC would still be ranked higher and Auburn would still have those 3 cupcakes on their resume'. That argument is out the window.
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I agree, the OOC argument IS out the window.

For those of you defending the current system, substitute Ohio State for Auburn and tell me you'd still be defending it.

Does anybody here really believe their positions wouldn't be different? Be honest...not with me, but with yourselves.

As for my desire for a playoff, I'm not suggesting a copy of the DI-AA format. It could easily be done with the BCS formula, we just need 3 more games.
 
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Misanthrope said:
For those of you defending the current system, substitute Ohio State for Auburn and tell me you'd still be defending it.

Does anybody here really believe their positions wouldn't be different? Be honest...not with me, but with yourselves.

As for my desire for a playoff, I'm not suggesting a copy of the DI-AA format. It could easily be done with the BCS formula, we just need 3 more games.
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If we were in Auburns spot, playing patsy OOCers, then I would be upset yes, but there is no one to blame, not even the BCS. The only playoff I would ever support would be the +1 format. One more game would barely be a playoff and would keep the tradition of what I love about college football.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
If I have to read another article, or hear another whiny sports reporter bash the BCS ad nauseum, I think I'm gonna puke.

Everyone wants to bitch about how Auburn is getting screwed, but Auburn should've thought of that before they scheduled Louisiana Monroe, The Citadel, and Louisiana Tech. I'm sorry. As deserving as Auburn is (I personally think they'd beat OU or USC in the Orange Bowl), a team with that out of conference slate does NOT deserve one of the top two slots.
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LSU's OOC opponents last year:

Louisiana Tech
LA-Monroe
Western Illinois
Arizona

I agree with you
 
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So its totally relevant that Auburn plays nobody on their out of conference games,but its not when usc plays nobody all year long. Cal has beaten NOBODY. So how is a convincing win over an unproven team relevant? It's because prior to the beginning of the season the teams that were gonna be playing for the national title were already chosen and if they weren't USC couldn't be number 1.

I like how people are so quick to defend USC in every aspect of college football,but yet any other team has no case. Facts are facts. Take away SOS and USC is not there. Well wait did we take that away? HMM tell Cal and Texas SOS doesnt matter and they are moving behind Utah and Boise state. Wonder why they arent right up there with Oklahoma,Auburn, Usc? They are not the chosen teams..........Some might be sick of BCS bashing. I'm tired of changing everything around to suit USC. They didnt get in last year because their conference was a joke and played nobody all year. So this year we just fixed it so they will get in regardless who plays who and who beats who.

I'm not saying they might not be national championship worthy. I'm saying if you don't beat the teams to get there you don't deserve the chance. Without SOS teams should schedule as weak as possible dominate and get it over with. People saying auburn shouldnt get in because their schedule ??? When did that matter? If it matters you cannot tell me that USC's schedule can touch auburns based on difficulty.
 
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Misanthrope said:
I agree, the OOC argument IS out the window.
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Only with the computers, the human element still involves a perception of inept opponents.


Does anybody here really believe their positions wouldn't be different? Be honest...not with me, but with yourselves.
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I am sure I would be pissed and upset, but this is the system in place and I would accept that. The final tiebreaker in our region for a playoff spot is a coin flip...if it doesn't come out my way, who should I blame? Sorry, as coaches we agreed to the system and we will live by it.
 
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pl for what it's worth I agre with you. I would put OU #1 and then it's a toss up for USC and AU (or UA?) because of the schedule weaknesses.

Misanthrope said:
I agree, so why are you trying to do ifs and buts? Your reasoning is that Auburn is "where they should be" based upon games/teams they never played.
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I'm not, these are the teams the chose to play, they stunk. This it what they decided and they are in the correct position.
 
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auburn's ooc merely supplements the weaker conference schedules of ou and usc. usc played vt so they get a nod there.

ou played oregon, which got beat by indiana, at home. They topped that off with BG and Houston.


Ask yourself what conference overall is the best this year? I'm pretty usre that 99% of you said the SEC. So, the undefeated champion of the best conference in CFB deserves to be #3 because of their OOC, which is slightly worse than the team above them.

bottom line is a case can be made for all 3 teams.
 
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osugrad21 said:
Only with the computers, the human element still involves a perception of inept opponents.
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Show me when the pollsters looked at the only 3 unbeaten, major conference teams, and adjusted their votes based on OOC? Auburn has moved from 74/80 to 3/3 - as far as they could go, schedule or not - and the ONLY reason OU and USC are still ahead of them is because they started way ahead of them, and all 3 of them are undefeated.


I am sure I would be pissed and upset, but this is the system in place and I would accept that.
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Well, if that's true, then I'd bet my life savings you would be in the minority. Buckeye nation, as a whole, would be going apeshit, if we were in Auburn's shoes. I have NO doubt about it.
 
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Misanthrope said:
schedule or not
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But it is their schedule! A bad (OOC) one, so there is no arguing in my mind. It may be true that no matter their schedule they may not have moved up any further, but it doesn't matter. That's the if's and buts game you are playing.
 
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Misanthrope said:
Show me when the pollsters looked at the only 3 unbeaten, major conference teams, and adjusted their votes based on OOC? Auburn has moved from 74/80 to 3/3 - as far as they could go, schedule or not - and the ONLY reason OU and USC are still ahead of them is because they started way ahead of them, and all 3 of them are undefeated.
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Yes that is possible, let me go get that out of my files now:roll2: If you cannot accept a basic assumption such as pollsters looking at margin of victories or opponents, then you must be one of those people who truly believe pollsters watch every game. Therefore, I cannot help you on that one.

Well, if that's true, then I'd bet my life savings you would be in the minority. Buckeye nation, as a whole, would be going apeshit, if we were in Auburn's shoes. I have NO doubt about it.
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Agreed and being in the minority is nothing new. It is called common sense and honoring a commitment. Maybe more people should learn those traits.
 
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isnt the basic purpose of rankings to determine who is the best team in college football?

it seems that the arguments being put forth here are that while auburn may have gone undefeated in the hardest conference this year it means less because pollsters didnt think as highly of them at the beginning of the year. Conversely, pollster thought usc and ou would be good, and while they didnt face as difficult a conference slate as auburn, since pollster expected them to be good 4 months ago, they should be rewarded.


If the BCS system from last year were used, would auburn still be #3? If they were, then I have no problem with them getting bumped out.
 
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