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Game Thread Game Two: Ohio State 20, Akron 2 (Final)

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zincfinger;919690; said:
Yes, but nobody here is arguing that students or fans of other Ohio schools must be fans of OSU. The argument here is simply that there's nothing wrong with students and fans of other Ohio schools also being fans of OSU. That's in contrast to what some on the Zipsnation board would argue.

As far as there being multiple D-1A football schools in Ohio, that is certainly true, but the fact still remains that if you want to follow a D1-A football school from Ohio that is competitive at a national level, there's only one option to choose from. I personally don't think it's an insult to the other Ohio schools, nor a mark of arrogance, to acknowledge the fact that their football programs, and OSU's, are not on the same level. That doesn't mean that they're not good, and it doesn't mean that they could never have any hope of the possibility of winning a game against OSU, but there clearly is a difference in the caliber of the programs.

This is a poor analogy. Your analogy would apply to all Akron fans becoming Toledo fans, if Toledo won the MAC several years in a row. That sort of fair-weather fanship is very different from Akron fans being also OSU fans. Because there is a difference between OSU football and Akron football: OSU competes at a national level, whereas Akron competes only at a regional level. This is a difference that doesn't exist between OSU football and USC football, any more than it exists between Akron football and Toledo football. If you want to construct a hypothetical situation in which your USC-as-national-team analogy would apply, it would be that universities from every country across the globe play American football, and Ohio State isn't really capable of competing with the best international teams, but USC is. In such a scenario, a lot of OSU fans would be USC fans when it came to international competition, because USC would be the team that most effectively represented the nation.
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Thank You. Very well said.

I personally have zero malice toward the other Ohio schools and root for them whenever I see them playing a non-Ohio school. I used to get so pissed off watching the old California Bowl between the MAC and ??(some west coast conference equivilant) it wasn't even funny.

As far as the minor league comment goes, I stand by it. They aren't in our class and its no big deal, again to use baseball....I am as die hard a Reds fan as they come but I know damn good and well they aren't in the same class as the good MLB teams. When they playoffs start I always have to adopt a team for the post season. I don't buy hats or anything like that but I care how they do(somewhat). Its not being disloyal or bandwagon, its just two completely different leagues to me.
 
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How early to get into the stadium

I'm taking my eight year old daughter to the game. She's beyond excited. However she is 8 so I don't want to get places too early, etc. About how long before the game starts does the band start coming out? Or more like, how long before the game does the team stop warming up and go into the locker room? I'd like to get seated when they are coming to a close on the warmups.
 
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Jaxbuck;919324; said:
It would seem to me that would only upset you if you considered yourselves on equal footing with tOSU.

For instance, I am a die hard Reds fan but have lived in a lot of different cities and always thought it was ok to root for the hometown minor league team even if it wasn't a Reds affiliate.

I don't see how Ohio schools fans wouldn't be a fan of both. OSU represents the state we all love, it's not the same league football wise so why can't you root for both?
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The sick part is many of these MAC fans consider themselves on equal footing. Afterall aren't we all Division 1A schools and programs? In theory we all have chances to win the National Championship. But like baseball the system is not fair. The MAC schools are like the Pittsburgh Pirates, Kansas City Royals and the old Montreal Expos. They just do not have the resources available to compete to win it all.

Now every now and then a lower team can move up to compete for one magical year. Miami (Oh) when it had Roethlisberger, Marshall during its Pennington/Leftwich years and recently Boise State. At least they had the teams/talent to make a run.

So the Ohio State's are the Yankees to them. The big bad bully. The MAC fanatics that had no affiliation before college view their fellow MAC student as crazy for loving Ohio State and the fanatics view is "you should have went to Ohio State if you want to root for them".

But if you think Akron fan boards are funny, wait til you play Ohio University next year. They are even more fanatic and have much more hatred. I know I have been in many message board spats explaining how as an Ohio University alum I can love the Buckeyes just as much, even when in 2008 I will be proudly wearing my green and white and rooting for Ohio to win.
 
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WonderMonkey;919857; said:
I'm taking my eight year old daughter to the game. She's beyond excited. However she is 8 so I don't want to get places too early, etc. About how long before the game starts does the band start coming out? Or more like, how long before the game does the team stop warming up and go into the locker room? I'd like to get seated when they are coming to a close on the warmups.
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Getting there that late with a kid in-tow is not a great idea IMHO. The band comes out 20 minutes before game time, which is immediately after the warmups wrap up. As Script Ohio is typically done pre-game, the 'Shoe is a 'Zoo at 20-30 minutes before kick-off. With an 8-year-old in tow, I'd want to be in my seat enjoying the atmosphere before then. It is a personal preference thing, so do what you think is best.
 
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DDN

OSU FOOTBALL NOTES
Ground game prompts concern


By Doug Harris
Staff Writer

Tuesday, September 04, 2007

COLUMBUS ? Ohio State running back Chris "Beanie" Wells shouldered the blame for a rushing attack that was anything but awe-inspiring in the opener against Youngstown State.
But his offensive linemen insisted they were the ones who deserved to take the rap.
Wells had a dismal first half, finishing with nine yards on nine carries. He had four cracks inside the 3-yard line on the opening drive but netted just one yard, and the Buckeyes resorted to a three-yard pass to Dane Sanzenbacher to reach the end zone.

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Dispatch

College football
Akron well-aware of what awaits

Tuesday, September 4, 2007 3:25 AM
By Mark Znidar


The Columbus Dispatch

AKRON -- No one had to coax Akron football coach J.D. Brookhart to comment about Ohio State yesterday during his weekly luncheon. The Buckeyes impress him right down to little details.

Asked about the Zips' kicking game now that the NCAA has moved kickoffs back 5 yards to the 30, Brookhart said, "I watched Ohio State on film kick it into the end zone. They had no problem with that. Who is that guy kicking off for them?"
Told that Ryan Pretorius had beaten out incumbent Aaron Pettrey for the job, Brookhart shook his head and said, "I thought the other guy was pretty good. Where did they get (Pretorius) from?"

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Dispatch

Ohio State football
Immediate impact
Freshmen make splash that even upperclassmen can't ignore
Tuesday, September 4, 2007 3:23 AM
By Tim May


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

The freshman members of the Ohio State football team had a simple goal heading into the season opener.
"We just wanted to go out there and play, and try to contribute to the team," running back Brandon Saine said.
Too bad they couldn't count their contributions as tax write-offs; consider these:
? Saine and receivers Dane Sanzenbacher and Taurian Washington totaled 18 points on touchdowns in the 38-6 win over Youngstown State.
? Cameron Heyward stepped in for defensive end Lawrence Wilson when Wilson went down with a broken right leg that will keep him out at least six to eight weeks.

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OSUsushichic;919558; said:
Bowling Green just beat a Big 10 team, and Kent State just beat a Big 12 team on the road. I'm sure Akron is chomping at the bit to do the same.
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With I-AA's two-time defending nation champ beating Michigan at the Pig House, and the above-mentioned wins by MAC schools over Big Ten and Big 12 opponents, it goes to show that you can no longer take any opponents for granted...you can bet that JT and staff are taking this game very seriously.
 
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Seeing Moses get action Saturday for the buckeyes was awesome, now this week I got another friend on Akron. Chris Kemme (88 Overall in NCAA 08 :lol:) who is starting on the Zips line and is a captain as a junior. For all of you locals hes from UA.
 
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Jaxbuck;919814; said:
As far as the minor league comment goes, I stand by it. They aren't in our class and its no big deal, again to use baseball....I am as die hard a Reds fan as they come but I know damn good and well they aren't in the same class as the good MLB teams. When they playoffs start I always have to adopt a team for the post season. I don't buy hats or anything like that but I care how they do(somewhat). Its not being disloyal or bandwagon, its just two completely different leagues to me.
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A valid point, but I think the minor league/major league comparison is more apt, for the following reason. Akron and OSU are not in competition with each other in any meaningful sense, even in a season when they play one another. An Akron/OSU dual fan doesn't have to follow either team as a back-up to the primary team, as you do when you prefer a non-Reds team in the post-season, precisely because success or failure for Akron and OSU are completely independent of each other. The Reds and the Braves are in the same league, competing for the same prize. Akron and OSU, for all intents and purposes, are not.
 
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zincfinger;919950; said:
An Akron/OSU dual fan doesn't have to follow either team as a back-up to the primary team, as you do when you prefer a non-Reds team in the post-season, precisely because success or failure for Akron and OSU are completely independent of each other. The Reds and the Braves are in the same league, competing for the same prize. Akron and OSU, for all intents and purposes, are not.
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Yeah, like if you were a Reds fan you can also be a fan of the Indians. Before interleague games these teams would never meet unless it is in the World Series.

Akron and OSU do have the same goals. To win every game they play, win their conference and play for the National Championship or BCS Bowl.
 
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Piney;919869; said:
The sick part is many of these MAC fans consider themselves on equal footing. Afterall aren't we all Division 1A schools and programs? In theory we all have chances to win the National Championship. But like baseball the system is not fair. The MAC schools are like the Pittsburgh Pirates, Kansas City Royals and the old Montreal Expos. They just do not have the resources available to compete to win it all.

Now every now and then a lower team can move up to compete for one magical year. Miami (Oh) when it had Roethlisberger, Marshall during its Pennington/Leftwich years and recently Boise State. At least they had the teams/talent to make a run.

So the Ohio State's are the Yankees to them. The big bad bully. The MAC fanatics that had no affiliation before college view their fellow MAC student as crazy for loving Ohio State and the fanatics view is "you should have went to Ohio State if you want to root for them".

But if you think Akron fan boards are funny, wait til you play Ohio University next year. They are even more fanatic and have much more hatred. I know I have been in many message board spats explaining how as an Ohio University alum I can love the Buckeyes just as much, even when in 2008 I will be proudly wearing my green and white and rooting for Ohio to win.
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I couldn't agree more, Piney. The OU board is pretty much laughable at this point w/ the hatred. It pretty much overtakes people's lives.
 
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