More Discussion on Marijuana (Merged with Skeete thread discussion)

[BrutusMaximus]

Well, that's your loss, then. It's pretty safe to say America would be a much different, and probably worse, place without the philosophical influence of Thoreau. As for purpose, do you know why marijuana is illegal in the first place? It's a long story, but it has to do with the rise the DuPont corporation and a racist fear of Mexican immigrants...

Thoreau......hmmmmmmmm, ok I consider myself to be a pretty good person, law abiding, hard working, yet I have never heard of this guy.....so what does that tell you?

And where exactly did you learn about the DuPont corporation and a racist fear of Mexican immigrants? Sounds to me like a conspiracy theorist who smokes too much weed.

There is no arguing this point either way, you have your view, I have mine, and that's cool. I dont judge somebody on that.

 

[KevinBuck]

True--I'm more than happy to agree to disagree, and I respect the way you have expressed your disagreement with me, though obviously I do get my hackles up when others make this issue personal.

As for not knowing Thoreau, I guess what that tells me about you is that you're not an English or American History major :) . That's Henry David Thoreau, who wrote "On Walden Pond" and founded Transcendental Romanticism with Emerson in the 1800s.

And you can find tons of information on the internet (or even in books, if you don't believe anything on the WWW) on DuPont's role in criminalizing marijuana: if hemp was legal, they would lose over half their business in plastics and such. At the same time there was a large influx of immigrants over the southern border, and as you may guess these Mexicans brought with them lots of... marijuana! Combine a little xenophobia with some homegrown profit-seeking, and you've got the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

 

[3yardsandacloud]

3Yards, BN27, other mods pissed about wrong-forum-posting:
I for one really only check out the main Forums page, which shows the most recent posts--but doesn't show which forum each post comes from (I find this frustrating). I bring up the recent post and respond directly to it, if necessary; so if there's a problem with where my posts end up, it's because of BP's layout. I don't start threads, I only continue them; where that takes place is no concern of mine.

OK, what happened to "Nobody told me any such thing"? Now it's the fault if BP's layout!?!? Talk about discredited. This is simply you being LAZY. You obviously read my requests and ignored them. It is little effort to start a thread to discuss the topic of your choice on the appropriate forum. If you want to discuss marijuana ... fine, but do it where appropriate. You don't HAVE to start a thread either ... only if you want to discuss something that isn't covered in another thread in the appropriate forum. And YES, where it takes place IS a concern of yours, especially when ASKED.

How about this? I take down the 10 most recent thread listing altogether? Then you can search each forum individually. Sound good? Or if you can't follow the rules of a particular forum, I can ban your participation from that particular forum. Would that work? It requires no effort on your part. I can simply prevent you from posting on the Football Forums and then where you post will be no concern of MINE.

 

[BrutusMaximus]

As for not knowing Thoreau, I guess what that tells me about you is that you're not an English or American History major :) . That's Henry David Thoreau, who wrote "On Walden Pond" and founded Transcendental Romanticism with Emerson in the 1800s.

That would definitely be a negative on me being a history major.

Yeah I think I have heard about the Dupont thing, but I dont remember exactly what it was, or even if I was paying attention at the time. My point was, that being true or not doesnt change the fact that it's still not GOOD for you. There are definitely negative side-effects.

 

[KevinBuck]

3yards, every forum in every discussion board on the internet has longtimers or mods who complain about thread-splitting or off-topic posts, and I've pretty much learned to tune them out: as soon as I could tell yours was one of those, and didn't address me specifically, I skipped it. You want to give me a message, you use my name. I didn't start the weed discussion, and I wasn't the only one talking non-Skeete, so your threats are out of line. And this issue has long since passed anyway, so just get over it.

 

[3yardsandacloud]

What threat? Since you are too LAZY to do something the proper way, I'm asking you if you'd like ME to take care of the problem for you. Since you see things as "no concern of yours", I'd like to make it so. AND at the same time I can make it NO CONCERN of MINE. Two birds, yada, yada.

The issue has passed because you (and several others) forced 21 to do what you should have done.

 

[BB73]

As for not knowing Thoreau, I guess what that tells me about you is that you're not an English or American History major :) . That's Henry David Thoreau, who wrote "On Walden Pond" and founded Transcendental Romanticism with Emerson in the 1800s.

First you brought up Thoreau and Dostoyevsky when talking about civil disobedience. Then in a subsequent post you stated "It's pretty safe to say America would be a much different, and probably worse, place without the philosophical influence of Thoreau". I guess you didn't want to talk about what happened to Dostoyevsky's homeland of Russia because of his philosophical influence, since it wouldn't seem to support your argument.

I'm just pointing out what appears to be an inconsistency in your discussions. And before you come back with some retort alleging my ignorance, I have actually read a couple of old Fyodor's books.

What threat? Since you are too LAZY to do something the proper way, I'm asking you if you'd like ME to take care of the problem for you. Since you see things as "no concern of yours", I'd like to make it so. AND at the same time I can make it NO CONCERN of MINE. Two birds, yada, yada.

Even though I really like his Andy Geiger avatar, I'm quite surprised that KB doesn't at least have a warning by now. You're more patient than I would be, 3yards.

 

[jwinslow]

Rather than contribute anything useful to this discussion, I thought I'd post these pictures that fit with the humorous title of this thread (my apologies in advance, it's been a long week):

 

[The KSB]

First you brought up Thoreau and Dostoyevsky when talking about civil disobedience. Then in a subsequent post you stated "It's pretty safe to say America would be a much different, and probably worse, place without the philosophical influence of Thoreau". I guess you didn't want to talk about what happened to Dostoyevsky's homeland of Russia because of his philosophical influence, since it wouldn't seem to support your argument.

I'm just pointing out what appears to be an inconsistency in your discussions. And before you come back with some retort alleging my ignorance, I have actually read a couple of old Fyodor's books.

Once again in English

 

[KevinBuck]

My point was, that being true or not doesnt change the fact that it's still not GOOD for you. There are definitely negative side-effects.

I agree: of course there are some negative side-effects. But there can be benefits derived on various levels of the human experience from it, and for some the positives could outweigh the negatives. There is nothing inherently criminal about smoking pot, and there are no immediate negative effects to people around smokers; so if the only concern is for the smoker's mental & physical health, I say: thanks, but mind your own beeswax. :)

Ben Harper: "My choice is what I choose to do, and if I'm causin' no harm it shouldn't bother you ... If you don't like my fire, then don't come around, 'cause I'm gonna burn one down" :tongue2:

 

[BrutusMaximus]

Right that is exactly why I said, I dont judge people on what they do.....just having a conversation about it.

If you wanna smoke it, fine with me, no skin off my nuts. Cigarettes are definitely more harmful as far as a public health hazard, no doubt. But mental health is the problem you'll run into with MJ :)

 

[KevinBuck]

First you brought up Thoreau and Dostoyevsky when talking about civil disobedience. Then in a subsequent post you stated "It's pretty safe to say America would be a much different, and probably worse, place without the philosophical influence of Thoreau". I guess you didn't want to talk about what happened to Dostoyevsky's homeland of Russia because of his philosophical influence, since it wouldn't seem to support your argument.

I'm just pointing out what appears to be an inconsistency in your discussions. And before you come back with some retort alleging my ignorance, I have actually read a couple of old Fyodor's books.

It's not an inconsistency because I wasn't saying anything about Russia: I know very little about Russian history, but I'm guessing Dostoyevsky did not play the same role in their development as Thoreau did in America's. Thoreau was writing in our nation's first century and helping to really define a unique American voice and spirit. I only mentioned him and Dostoyevsky in the same breath because they were contemporaries and shared ideas about civil disobedience, which is a lasting American impulse but also inspired Ghandi's nonviolent revolution in India.

But mental health is the problem you'll run into with MJ :)

...says the guy with the Slipknot avatar

 

[Bucklion]

Skeete was apparently just an amateur

Newton said he stood to make $75K per drug deal

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"I've always been competitive, I've always been in sports," said Newton, a six-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman who retired after the 2000 season. "I couldn't see myself not being the biggest dope man."

Newton, 43, was released from a Louisiana prison last year on drug possession charges after serving about 2½ years behind bars.

Newton, of East Ellijay, Ga., estimated he stood to make up to $75,000 per drug deal, another reason he said running drugs appealed to him.

In November 2001, he and two women were pulled over for a traffic violation on Interstate 10 in St. Martin Parish, La. Newton and the others were accused of hauling 213 pounds of marijuana in their van with plans to sell it.

While out on bond six weeks later, Newton was arrested again, this time in Ellis County. He was accused of hauling 175 pounds of marijuana in the trunk of a car.

Newton made his comments Thursday during a talk show on Dallas radio station KKDA. He said he became remorseful while serving time in a federal prison in Texarkana, before he was transferred to a federal facility in Louisiana.

"I got on my knees and said, 'God, I want to make a deal. ... You protect me in here, and when I come out, I'll do everything I can to make it right,'" he said.

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[BB73]

Mikey likes it!

 

[Steve19]

My last post in this thread...

For those who doubt the wisdom of legalizing marijuana use, the Dutch legalized it some time ago in the belief that the effects of criminalization were worse than the effects of the drug. Some 4% of the Dutch have used marijuana and only 1.7% are regular users. In contrast, the number is many times higher in the US with over half of high school students now admitting having used it at least once.

Having said that, to support Mili's contention about 20 years of marijuana use earlier in the thread, the source is Uncle Sam but here is a link to a page with a brief summary of the known effects of marijuana use. http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html