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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
Well for one Mili answered the question by saung that OSU played a decent OOC schedule. Going forwrd they seems to have made an effort to play the big boys but NOT in the past.....

Mili - I dont see that many big names on that list and please if OSU wanted to they could have played more.
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You should change your moniker to NOTREDAMECRACKSMOKER. First, how in the hell can you say "if OSU wanted to they could have played more". Didn't you read where I said that we were limited in the opponent pool because we're in a conference and thus can't pick and choose opponents like ND can? We only get 2-4 OOC games a year, and the Ohio government has mandated that at least one of those each year is against an Ohio school. I don't see how I can make it any simpler, even for a Notre Dame grad.

As far as not having "that many big names on that list", since when were Alabama, Miami, Notre Dame, Southern California, Colorado, and LSU not big names? In fact, every one of those teams I just listed in the previous sentence has won at least one national title in the timeframe listed...every one!

I'd like to see another major team in a major conference with a comparable sustained OOC schedule.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
As I said OSU has now made an attempt to play the big boys something ALL OF YOU HAVE NOTICED!!
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Huh? Mili's point (and mine) is that our past schedules haven't been filled with cream puffs, like you are implying.

I appreciate you admitting that our future schedules will be strong, and I have admitted that ND constantly has a rough schedule. Now, how about coming over here and giving me a hug? :drunks:

Wait a minute....what are you doing......HOLY CRAP!!! I WAS JUST KIDDING!!!! GET AWAY FROM ME!!!
 
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DUHHHHHH! If OSU can play the big boys going forward (as you all have noticed) why couldn't they then??? They played a BIG10 schedule then and they still do correct?

I did not say it was FILLED with creme-puff's ! I said that the Big10 is not near what you all think it is and that OSU could have played a tougher schedule. Which by acknowledging future tougher OOC teams you all have have agreed with me.

As for ALABAMA,USC,COLORADO,LSU none of them are on the last 10 years schedules....

ND is and Miami was a kick-off classic game. BTW Miami was just rebounding from the probation years...
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
DUHHHHHH! If OSU can play the big boys going forward (as you all have noticed) why couldn't they then??? They played a BIG10 schedule then and they still do correct?...
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Uh, check out when our future big names are scheduled: Syracuse is 2007/2010, USC is 2008/2009, Miami is 2010/2011, Virginia Tech is 2014/2015. In order to get big name teams, we've had to schedule them way out in advance...our previous regimes weren't all that keen about scheduling teams 6-10 years in advance, while Tressel is not. Hey, Virginia Tech could suck ten years down the road...hell, USC may drop back down in 1990s-like mediocrity by 2008. Scheduling is a crap shoot, but Tressel will go ahead and roll the bones to get the perennial big names.

NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
...Miami was a kick-off classic game. BTW Miami was just rebounding from the probation years...
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So what if Miami was a kickoff classic game? It was still an OOC game, and it wasn't even a home game for us. And even though Miami was coming off probation, everyone knew they'd rebound quickly (which they did in a big way), so it was no slack in playing them.

Why don't you go drink one of those fairy-assed orange smoothies you like?
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
No, just saying that ND was not as bad as many think and OSU was not as good as you all think.
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Maybe not, but let's look at the past 10 years, shall we?

(Listing=record, bowl W/L, final AP rank)

1995: ND 9-3 L (11) OSU 11-2 L (6)
1996: ND 8-3 - (19) OSU 11-1 W (2)
1997: ND 7-6 L (-) OSU 10-3 L (12)
1998: ND 9-3 L (22) OSU 11-1 W (2)
1999: ND 5-7 - (-) OSU 6-6 - (-)
2000: ND 9-3 L (15) OSU 8-4 L (-)
2001: ND 5-6 - (-) OSU 7-5 L (-)
2002: ND 10-3 L (17) OSU 14-0 W (1)
2003: ND 5-7 - (-) OSU 11-2 W (4)
2004: ND 6-6 L (-) OSU 8-4 W (20)

Point being if you really want to compare the last 10 years, there is no comparison. No Bowl Wins, No Top 10 finishes, and 1/10 ranked higher and with a better record. I don't care who is playing what schedule...I'd think about how much you really want to look at the last 10 years for anything.
 
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Mili - Obviously you drink way more of those drinks than I last night! Like OSU (in the past ) could not have scheduled the big names in advance, but hey you answered it yourself as Tressell will go ahead and roll the bones to get the perennial big names while your past coach's would not. Your chasing your tail with your own point. I said OSU did a better job with future schedules ddin't I ? And ALL of you have noticed how the future schedules get a little tougher! Which proves my point!!!! Syracuse is a big name in BB not FB!

Lion -WOW! THAT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT! Sort of shows you the power of that Big10 schedule and OSU's OOC schedule!!
 
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Wow, what really stands out to me on that list of lion's is that nd has only had ONE ten win season in the past decade... thats scary bad for a powerhouse school.. and of course the fact that they havent WON a bowl game in that span either.. ouch..

I imagine after the babyboomer generation dies off so will nd's following.. Catholisism just isnt a big draw for todays youth, they dont really have a "home state" to work from, and they arent winning.. As soon as they lose that TV contract the only fans they will have will be the kids whose dads turned them into fans..

You better hope CW really can work some miracles over in southbend cheif..

1985 - Colorado
1986 - Alabama, Washington, Colorado
1987 - West Virginia, LSU
1988 - Syracuse, LSU
1989 - Southern California, Boston College
1990 - Texas Tech, Boston College, Southern California
1991 - Arizona, Washington State
1992 - Syracuse
1993 - Washington
1994 - Washington
1995 - Boston College, Washington, Notre Dame
1996 - Notre Dame
1997 - Arizona, Missouri
1998 - West Virginia, Missouri
1999 - Miami, UCLA
2000 - Arizona
2001 - UCLA
2002 - Texas Tech, Washington St.
2003 - Washington

also, how can you accuse us of not scheduling the big schools? If we have to schedule 5 years in advance or more to get the game how do we know if these teams will be up or down?? look at the list (ill bold the big ones to make it easier for you) go to any of those teams fan board and tell them that their schools arent big teams and see what reaction you get.. i could probally highlight west virginia and syracuse too..
 
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I can because they did not instead they played amny mediocre at best teams, teams that OSU knew were not going to be a real strong challenge. Half of your BOLD names are not big name/real strong schools.

As for Charlie and ND sure looks promissing! As for the past 10 years teah I admit they have struggled but then again they have not played OSU's schedule either.......
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
Half of your BOLD names are not big name/real strong schools.
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Which ones?


NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
As for the past 10 years teah I admit they have struggled but then again they have not played OSU's schedule either.......
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Yep, that's the difference between OSU's .700 and ND's .400 winning percentage (those numbers are guesses) over the last ten years: schedule. In actuality, I'm not so sure that ND deserves its perennial SOS natl. champ. for most of the past ten years. USC was so-so for most of that time span, service academies - say no more, BC is solid but I'm sure that wouldn't qualify as a "big name/real strong school" in your mind if ND didn't play them every year. Most of ND's tough opponents over that stretch were BigTen.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
I can because they did not instead they played amny mediocre at best teams, teams that OSU knew were not going to be a real strong challenge. Half of your BOLD names are not big name/real strong schools.

As for Charlie and ND sure looks promissing! As for the past 10 years teah I admit they have struggled but then again they have not played OSU's schedule either.......
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this is amazing, I know i have no business in this arguement, but what the hell do you expect. Do you really think that they are going to play 3 top ten teams every year. It can't/won't be done. Nobody is going to schedual that many home/homes because you lose too much money. Also, as mentioned before, you never know who is going to be good 5 years down the road when you play people. By the way what makes ND's schedule so damn amazing next year. Is it the byu, navy, or the stanford game? Looks like 3 cream puffs to me. The only diffrence is that they are not at the begining of the year because you dont have to worry about a confrence. No one in their right mind would say that ND plays a weak schedule much the way that no one can accuse OSU of playing a weak schedule either.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
Mili - Obviously you drink way more of those drinks than I last night!
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Chief doesn't really drink those orange smoothy things, but he really should be putting Bailey's IRISH Creme into his coffee, instead of piss 'n vinegar!
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
OH PLEASE 1/2 of the BIG10 are creme-puffs games not to mention usually 2 of the 3 OOC games.....

There is/was a reason for the Big 2 little 8!
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When the big hands on the two and the little hands on the eight -- your clock isn't working right, or you used the wayback machine.

I/2 B10 creme puff? No way. Going down B10 .. 1 -OSU -- tough game for anyone, 2 - sCUM -- like 'em or not -- tough game, 3 - sCUm State -- tough enough for ND, no doubt, 4 - Wisconsin -- regularly a tough game for many OOC and in conference, 5 - Iowa -- aside from the Ferentz love-fest media is half right on Iowa, tough enough since the days of Chuck Long, 6 - Purdue --revived under Tiller, regularly give OOC opponents tough games, 7 - Northwestern, enigmatic, don't like their style, but certainly no pushover, 8 - Minnesota -- creme puff no way, one dimensional certainly, 9 - Penn State -- currently in their worst down swing in decades but over long haul a tough opponent, even in todays malaise still bringing good defense, 10 - Illinois, currently in a down turn - others above #9 should beat Illinois, 11 - Indiana -- if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all -- a legitimate roll-over and play dead opponent.
I guess if you only play Indiana once in two years there is one-half of a creme puff in the B10 (this year).
 
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Is it just me, or does every thread eventually devolve into an OSU v. ND pissing match.



No, I'm wrong. Half of them devolve into a Smith v. Zwick pissing match.
 
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