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OFFICIAL: Biblical/Theology Discussion thread

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Wednesday, January 08, 2003

Was Jesus a spiritual, cannabis-using stoner that doused his disciples in a potent, marijuana-laced oil?

That's the claim made in an American cannabis magazine article that suggests Jesus Christ and his apostles used marijuana and promoted its usage for medicinal purposes and to carry out miraculous healings.

The article, "Was Jesus a stoner?" was written by B.C. marijuana activist, author and director of the Pot-TV Network, Chris Bennett. It was based on a 13-year study of ancient scripture texts. He claims the holy anointing oil, used in the early days of the Christian church and absorbed into the body when placed on the skin, contained between four and six kilograms of kaneh-bosem, a substance identified as cannabis extracted into olive oil and herbs.

"The ancient anointed ones were literally drenched in this potent mixture," Bennett, 40, said in his article, published in the February issue of High Times.

He said Jesus and the 12 disciples used this holy oil to cure and heal their followers of such ailments as epilepsy, menstrual and eye problems and skin diseases. The curing of cripples can also be attributed to the cannabis-laced holy oil.

He quotes the Book of Mark 6:13 in support of his claim.
"And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them."

Bennett's claim about Old Testament cannabis use is supported in his article by Carl Ruck, a Boston University professor in classical mythology who has spent three decades researching the history of drugs in religion.

"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," he said. "There is no way that so important a plant as a fibre source for textiles and nutritive oils and one so easy to grow would have gone unnoticed.

"Obviously, the early availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism... would have inevitably included it in the (Christian) measures."

Bennett said his claims are also supported by archeological evidence. He refers specifically to finds by Joe Zias, an anthropologist in Israel who uncovered the skeleton of a 14-year-old girl who died in child birth. A blackish-brown substance found on her stomach was determined to be a hashish mixture used for healing. He also cited ancient pots discovered throughout Israel and the Middle East that had opium and cannabis residue in them.

Greg Bloomquist, a theology professor at Saint Paul University in Ottawa, is familiar with Bennett's claims, but dismisses them.
"This is not scholarly work. This is purely speculation with an ideological agenda," he said in an interview. "His arguments are based on the isolated theories of a few people and he brings them together in order to make a point that he wants to make."
 
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Bleed S & G;743394; said:
Do i believe the crap you quoted me on.. no, i dont. i dont think Christ tripped. I do think marijuana could have easily been an incent. Marijuana was the first plant to grow on King Sauls grave as far as I know too, you may be able to correct me but as far as I know it was.

I think that marijuana is a special plant.. i do. the things it can do, outside of fucking people up, is incredible.. perhaps this plant could help usher in peace.. perhaps it's the tree of life, perhaps its the sage plant that allowed us to connect to God in the first place, perhaps its manna, and perhaps its the tree of knowledge.. perhaps a 100 diffrent things.. including perhaps its just a plant.

the Holy Annoting Oil, the ingredients coming straight from God Himself to Moses.. contained marijuana, which is outlawed today for what reason exactly?

Luke 3:16: I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose; he shall Baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with Fire.
^This to me means that God baptised Christ, not an earthly oil or water. But why would Christ need to be baptised with the Spirit.. considering he is the Spirit?

There are other metions of the Fire Baptism and these are some of things Gnostics said we're revealed to them by Christ after His death, which Christ said he would do. The story line, as far as i can see, is when you're ready to have a better understanding of whats being taught, you can advance to more teachings.. thats why the Bible is composed the way it is and why Christ taught in parables, so we can understand.

Todays times, are a time of revelation.. and this is one of those things I believe.

Christ drank wine, no?

It is definatly not clear that using cannabis for spirtual reasons is a sinful act. God mandated cannabis be used in one of the most spirtual ways.

Not trying to add lies to the word of God.. just discussing possibilities.

If that's all true, we'd better remove "sloth" from the list of deadly sins . . .
 
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Thump;745961; said:
If there is a God, why do little kids get raped and murdered on a weekly basis?

Why did September 11th happen?

Why are so many children afflicted with deadly diseases?

This is the age old philosophical/theological discussion known as "The Problem of Evil."

The classic answers are that in order to have good, evil must exist or you wouldn't know what good is. There really wouldn't be freedom of choice because you couldn't choose evil. If everyone lived forever, life would not be as valuable.

To put it in BP terms. Would it really be any fun if tOSU played a schedule full of MAC teams and won the NC every year? Isn't it much more fun with scUM? Tell me that the next NC won't be that much more enjoyable after the debacle in the desert.
 
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MuckFich06;745976; said:
The classic answers are that in order to have good, evil must exist or you wouldn't know what good is. There really wouldn't be freedom of choice because you couldn't choose evil. If everyone lived forever, life would not be as valuable..

WOW, sounds like a load of horseshit to me.
 
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Thump;745983; said:
WOW, sounds like a load of horseshit to me.

Several philosophers have come to that conclusion. I seem to remember someone named Dodd from my Philosophy of Religion course.

The more difficult question to rectify is that if God created everything and God is all good, how does evil exist?
 
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Thump;745961; said:
If there is a God, why do little kids get raped and murdered on a weekly basis?

Why did September 11th happen?

Why are so many children afflicted with deadly diseases?

Matthew 5:43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
 
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lvbuckeye;746107; said:
Matthew 5:45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

That restates the issue. It doesn't answer Thump's question.

Here is a very long explanation of the arguments concerning the problem of evil and some of the responses. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/

What it all boils down to is whether or not you believe there is something better beyond this life. If this world is it, then it's all horseshit as Thump said. If there is something better on the other side and those who suffered are vindicated, then it may all be well worth it to go through some horseshit.
 
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Man's concept of "evil" may well NOT be God's concept of evil. Indeed, if my theory is correct, there really isn't even such a thing as good or evil, there just is.

What is so evil about the rape and murder of a child, if you're God? If we are to believe in life after "death" I don't see any "evil" being committed at all. Evil in the sense of man? Absolutely. But, God? I doubt it. I think a lot of people think of God as a "SuperMan" that is, Man Plus... And, I just don't think that's the correct way to view Him, if He is in fact in existence.

Leading me to reject, of course, many portions of the Bible which make God sound more like a man than a God.
 
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MuckFich06;745976; said:
This is the age old philosophical/theological discussion known as "The Problem of Evil."

The classic answers are that in order to have good, evil must exist or you wouldn't know what good is. There really wouldn't be freedom of choice because you couldn't choose evil. If everyone lived forever, life would not be as valuable.


I hope you learned in your philosophy of religion class that others have rejected this idea on the grounds that it makes the false assumption that evil exists as a separate, individual entity.

These other philosophers, who I believe have it correct, argue that evil is the absence of good, kind of like dark is the absence of light. Consequently, good does not need evil to exist in order for us to know what it is. If you act in a way in which good is absent, then you enter into a state of evil. You still get free will, but it isn't really a choice between good and evil, but a choice between good the absence of good.
 
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bkb, am i wrong to think that you were raised by "believing" parents, grew up a believer yourself, but are now a man in search of meaning... being full of doubt while knowing that you'd be unsure about yourself if you were to discard any belief whatsoever?
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;746162; said:
I think a lot of people think of God as a "SuperMan" that is, Man Plus... And, I just don't think that's the correct way to view Him, if He is in fact in existence.

Or as theologian Paul Tillich put it that God is the opposite of existence... non-being if you will. In this case, God is beyond all reasonable thinking. I think most get the idea of God as "SuperMan" idea from the Genesis account which states that man was created in God's image. Freud would say that idea comes from our own mind. It is our manifestation of the ultimate "Super Ego."

I think your assertion of the non existance of good and evil is best summarized by Brad Pitt's character in 12 monkeeys: "There's no right, there's no wrong, there's only popular opinion."
 
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