Official Statistical Analysis Thread

[DaddyBigBucks]

Defensive Differential passing efficiency

Rank________Team______________________DPE
__1___(1)___Ohio St.__________________0.685
__2___(3)___LSU_______________________0.697
__3___(5)___South Fla.________________0.699
__4___(2)___Arkansas__________________0.759
__5___(7)___South Carolina____________0.785
__6___(8)___Clemson___________________0.786
__7___(9)___Southern California_______0.786
__8__(19)___Virginia Tech_____________0.787
__9__(11)___Connecticut_______________0.791
_10___(6)___Arizona St._______________0.807
_11__(27)___Rutgers___________________0.809
_12___(4)___Kansas____________________0.813
_13__(18)___Auburn____________________0.819
_14__(10)___Utah______________________0.819
_15__(20)___North Carolina St.________0.824
_16__(12)___Michigan__________________0.832
_17__(16)___West Virginia_____________0.835
_18__(15)___Troy______________________0.837
_19__(14)___TCU_______________________0.838
_20__(21)___Purdue____________________0.860
_21__(26)___Wake Forest_______________0.863
_22__(46)___Colorado__________________0.883
_23__(29)___Fresno St.________________0.886
_24__(44)___Missouri__________________0.889
_25__(22)___Boise St._________________0.892
_26__(13)___Boston College____________0.893
_27__(25)___Texas_____________________0.894
_28__(17)___Vanderbilt________________0.895
_29__(41)___Nebraska__________________0.900
_30__(28)___Kansas St.________________0.909
_31__(35)___Oregon____________________0.914
_32__(45)___New Mexico________________0.922
_33__(79)___Washington________________0.922
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_39__(23)___Wisconsin_________________0.934
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_42__(49)___Oklahoma__________________0.944
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_47__(58)___Illinois__________________0.958
_49__(38)___Iowa______________________0.968
_50__(61)___California________________0.970
_51__(31)___Penn St.__________________0.971
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_71__(83)___Akron_____________________1.051
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_74__(64)___Indiana___________________1.053
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_85__(86)___Florida___________________1.083
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_90__(80)___Michigan St.______________1.109
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_97__(98)___Northwestern______________1.132
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105_(110)___Louisville________________1.186
106_(109)___Kent St.__________________1.188
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109_(111)___Minnesota_________________1.210




Numbers in parentheses are raw passing efficiency ranking.

Big Ten teams and OSU OOC opponents are in red.

Notes:

• Todd Boeckman murdered PSU's ranking here
• In September, did you guess that Michigan had the best pass defense that we'd face?
• Oklahoma ranked 42nd in defensive DPE. Hmmmmm
• Cal at 50. That's what gets them beat in the Pac 10
• Louisville ranked 105... This is why Brian Brohm is not competing for the National Title. But don't tell Colin Cowheard.
• Tebow is the best QB. But is defense being ranked 85th is why he has 3 losses. But don't tell Colin Cowheard.

 

[lvbuckeye]

efficiency numbers through nine games:

offense: 12.13 yards/point
defense: 24.14 yards/point...

the defense has allowed 52 points. the offense and special teams have allowed 28. with those four TDs factored out, the defense is forcing teams to go a mind numbing 37.14 yards per point. that's 260 yards per TD. we currently allow 214.56 yards per game. the defense is allowing 5.8 points per game, which matches the greatest defense in Ohio State history, 1973.

edit: forgot about the safety. the defense is allowing 5.6 points per game, and is forcing teams to go 38.62 yards per point. that equates to 270.34 yards per TD...

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

efficiency numbers through nine games:

offense: 12.13 yards/point
defense: 24.14 yards/point...

the defense has allowed 52 points. the offense and special teams have allowed 28. with those four TDs factored out, the defense is forcing teams to go a mind numbing 37.14 yards per point. that's 260 yards per TD. we currently allow 214.56 yards per game. the defense is allowing 5.8 points per game, which matches the greatest defense in Ohio State history, 1973.

edit: forgot about the safety. the defense is allowing 5.6 points per game, and is forcing teams to go 38.62 yards per point. that equates to 270.34 yards per TD...

IIRC, all of USC's 21 point in the Rose Bowl were via their offense (thus, against our defense). But, we don't know if all four TDs scored against us in the 1973 regular season were against our defense...

 

[lvbuckeye]

true... however i was merely mentioning the fact that this edition of the Silver Bullets is comparable to the greatest Ohio State defense ever, and in and era of unprecedented scoring to boot...

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I'm not so sure about the "era of unprecedented scoring" either. College teams in the early '70s were putting up comparable numbers offensively, albeit more on the ground than in the air.

I'll wait until after the bowl game before I can agree that this defense compares with the '73 unit.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

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I'll wait until after the bowl game before I can agree that this defense compares with the '73 unit.

Think about that. We are 75% throught the regular season and we are still willing to have that discussion, albeit after the bowl game. That speaks volumes about this defense.

 

[sandgk]

Think about that. We are 75% throught the regular season and we are still willing to have that discussion, albeit after the bowl game. That speaks volumes about this defense.

I think the cause on the part of some to be reticent in declaring victory over the Voodoo Doll of 1/8 is that we still have the toughest games on the schedule facing the Buckeyes.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

I think the cause on the part of some to be reticent in declaring victory over the Voodoo Doll of 1/8 is that we still have the toughest games on the schedule facing the Buckeyes.

Count me among that number.

But since 2002 I have seen people on message boards compare the OSU defense of (fill in year here) to the 1973 defense. Whenever anyone would suggest another defense might be better, one of two things would happen:

• Mili would say "get the fuck outta here" and leave it at that (if I didn't beat him to it)
• Mili would post the 1973 schedule and points against number for each game (if I didn't beat him to it)

This is the first time that Mili or I have even been willing to entertain the discussion.

That speaks volumes.

BTW: When did they change the "illegal use of hands" rule and let OL start putting their hands on the DL? The answer to that question might shed light on this discussion. (which should move to the "defense" thread)

 

[wdg01]

I'll post this in this thread...but it originaly stems for a discussion in another thread

This is Ohio States scoring in conference games compared to the rest of the big 10 updated thru the PSU game

This year
Ohio State 34.4
scUM St 34.2
scUM 30.8
Purdue 27.8
Northwestern 27.4
Indiana 25.5
Penn St. 24.5
Wisconsin 24
Minnesota 23.2
Illinois 21.6
Iowa 15

Since 2004
Ohio State 32.38
scUM 28.69
scUM St 27.90
Minnesota 26.90
Wisconsin 26.83
Purdue 25.28
Iowa 23.60
Northwestern 23.55
Penn St. 22.23
Indiana 21.53
Illinois 17.17

I think this shows that our offense, just like our defense...has been the best in the Big 10 over the last few years:osu:

 

[Jaxbuck]

BTW: When did they change the "illegal use of hands" rule and let OL start putting their hands on the DL? The answer to that question might shed light on this discussion. (which should move to the "defense" thread)

mid-late '80's iirc.

EDIT**********

1985 to be exact

1985--Retreat block deleted and open hands and extended arms permitted
anywhere on field.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Count me among that number.

But since 2002 I have seen people on message boards compare the OSU defense of (fill in year here) to the 1973 defense. Whenever anyone would suggest another defense might be better, one of two things would happen:

• Mili would say "get the fuck outta here" and leave it at that (if I didn't beat him to it)
• Mili would post the 1973 schedule and points against number for each game (if I didn't beat him to it)

This is the first time that Mili or I have even been willing to entertain the discussion.

That speaks volumes.

I think this year's defense is in the same neighborhood as the '73 defense, but not the same yard. In our first eight games, our defense gave up 40 points...the '73 defense gave up 20 points in their first eight games. Think about it: Two TDs and two FGs in eight games. In fact, after giving up a TD in the season opener, the '73 defense gave up one one TD--one fucking TD--over the next seven games. Are you kidding me?!

Now, if you include the Penn State game, where the defense gave up 10 points (the kickoff return TD doesn't go against the defense), that's 50 points in nine games, which is already seven points more than the '73 defense gave up in their entire 10-game regular season.

 

[bukIpower]

you have a good point mili, but offenses are far more capable of hitting the big play now a days. in 73' you could play 5 man defensive fronts, you could put 9 in the box and not worry about being hit behind you. In today's game there's emphasis on every part of the field wether that be going wide, going up the middle, going off tackle, doing screens, going long, playaction, draws, etc etc. Not to mention the type of players on the field. Tomorrow against Wisconsin we're going to be playing a Tight end who has the speed of a reciever!

I give extreme credit to the 73 defense and I guess its because I'm a young buckeye fan that I cannot really fully appreciate the 73' defense. Numbers wise you cannot discount what they did. Tremendous numbers as is listed in the thread above my post, but I think if this defense can finish off the year like they've been playing all year this will be 1 of the best ever at OSU.

Another thing to take into mind is that unlike in 73' today we have scholarship limitations. We can't take the best 40 kids from ohio every year or whatever it may be. When you combine unlimited amount of great talent, limited offenses, and time controlling offenses you'll be bound to have some obscene defensive numbers. I mean could you imagine if todays' offenses ran wing t, and power I the whole time?? Could you imagine if this years defense was aloud to put 9/10 in the box? The numbers would be mind boggling wouldn't they? Just like the stats were like for the 73 defense.

I think you can make a valid point when looking at high school football for example. What do most teams run? Power I, vere option,wing t, offset I, and mostly running formations. Very seldom will you see teams that pass the ball the majority of the time. Where in today's football world do you see the most ungodly stats come in? High school football. Teams winning 90 games straight, teams throwing 10 shut outs in one year, teams allowing 10 yards passing per game, and teams who's defenses are rittled with all region, district, and state players. The reason why you see these things is because offenses in high school are often too simple and the defenses are just light years ahead of offenses. Much like they were in 73'. The teams in the 70's still had to execute yes, but is which is harder? Executing a tackle one on one in space out wide against a reciever running 4.4 40's or executing a tackle when people are just running up the middle into 7-10 defenders with a 180 pound tailback?? Today you have offenses with speed out wide, big running backs, and agile Qb's and I just believe that has to be added into the equation here when talking about this years defense.

So again much respect for the 73' defense and it'll always be a team, and a defense to remember. However, I jus think comparing those numbers to this years defense is just a bit unfair thats all

oh yes I almost forgot... GO BUCKS! LETS beat badgers! oh yes mili I jus wanna say that's gata be rough watchin the bucks so early tomorrow in the morning!!

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

you have a good point mili, but offenses are far more capable of hitting the big play now a days.

Oh, that's right, that was before the invention of the forward pass.

Go back and check the offensive totals of teams like Nebraska, Oklahoma, USC, etc., in the early '70s. In 1971, Oklahoma had scores of 75, 58, 56, 55, to go with four other 40+ points games. In 1972, USC had seven 40+ point games and Nebraska had scores of 77, 62, 59, 56, and 49. They all scored just about as often as virtually any offense does today.

I give extreme credit to the 73 defense and I guess its because I'm a young buckeye fan that I cannot really fully appreciate the 73' defense.

No offense, but that's part of the problem...you didn't get to see just how teams in the early '70s played. Granted, there were quite a bit more running plays, but many offenses were option-based and they had just as many "big plays". Younger fans thinking everyone in the '70s was a 3-yards-and-a-cloud type team is just like everyone outside of the Big Ten thinking Ohio State's slow just because we're in the Big Ten.

 

[bukIpower]

great stats mili... and I think if you look at Nebraska in the early 2000's and see what happened to their option attack against a defense like todays they struggled because Nebraska was out dated in their methods against miami.

Although the offenses in the 70's still might have had huge gains like you stated, running the option is much easier to stop when it's JUST the option. When you have teams liek texas in 05 running the option, running a spread, running the standard I formation, and also using the QB as a weapon throwing and running I think thats so much harder to defend. I mean I realize teams still put up good numbers on offense and all that but still the offenses weren't as diverse. I do realize they had passing and all, but i think most coaches felt that passing was a liability to fuck up. I remember my high school coach in ohio telling me 3 things can happen when you pass. 1. its complete 2. It's incomplete and 3. It's intercepted. He rationed that 2/3 of the passes are not good for an offense. I think many college teams in the 70's took that same lead. It was more about ball controll, and running the ball. (which I love by the way).

I hope to one day watch tape of the 70's team but everytime I seem to come across old OSU games on ESPN classic I find myself bored by the type of formations I see. It just feels and seems like the same plays are ran over and over (I'm sure they're not though).

What they did in the 70's is outta this world, but I gata marvel at what todays' defenses are able to do. Every week is something new ya know? we'll face a spread team one week, then a option team, then a smashmouth team, and then a balanced team. Many teams in the earlier years ran simliar things I think. I am jus throwin out my opinion though and I do need to be better educated on the 70's to truely have my post regarding the 70's to mean a damn haha... I'll get on that though. I'm biased toward this years defense (also the 02,03,and 05 defenses) so it's obvious as well haha.

 

[lvbuckeye]

Oh, that's right, that was before the invention of the forward pass.

Go back and check the offensive totals of teams like Nebraska, Oklahoma, USC, etc., in the early '70s. In 1971, Oklahoma had scores of 75, 58, 56, 55, to go with four other 40+ points games. In 1972, USC had seven 40+ point games and Nebraska had scores of 77, 62, 59, 56, and 49. They all scored just about as often as virtually any offense does today.


No offense, but that's part of the problem...you didn't get to see just how teams in the early '70s played. Granted, there were quite a bit more running plays, but many offenses were option-based and they had just as many "big plays". Younger fans thinking everyone in the '70s was a 3-yards-and-a-cloud type team is just like everyone outside of the Big Ten thinking Ohio State's slow just because we're in the Big Ten.

you missed my point, and you're argument is flawed. you're comparing the offenses of today with the POWERHOUSES of the 70's. how often did Northfreakingwestern crack 40 points in the '70s? four times. in 109 tries. that's 3.7% of the time. how many times have they cracked 40 in the last ten years? 19 (16.4%), and they've hit the 35 point mark 29 times (25%) in 116 tries... to say that everyone scored in bunches 35 years ago based on the performances of the elite teams is disingenuous...