Oklahoma - SAE

[OH10]

I agree with you, but why is it that the only form of racism that needs to be eliminated is white against black? It is an outrage if a white person attempts to organize an event/organization/group that is exclusively white, but it's perfectly acceptable for a "black" event/organization/group of the same nature.

The double standard is not the only thing creating racial tension, but it is certainly not helping either.

If you can appropriately point out to me an example of what you're talking about, I'll be glad to address the issue on its individual merits.

 

[Jaxbuck]

They're being labeled "racist" because they basically admitted, loud and proud, that they were racist. I mean, if we can't call this 'racist,' we might as well revert back to the 60s when this [Mark May] was routinely acceptable in certain portions of the country.

I know everyone wants to pretend we live in a post-racial society, but this is just another example that we still have a long way to go. This isn't the only fraternity/sorority in the country that's been accused of excluding certain people based on color. This is just a blatant example of it. There's nothing wrong with identifying them as what they are, shaming the [Mark May] out of them, and working towards better race relations on campuses.

To ignore it and pretend like it doesn't represent some reprehensible parts of our national history is to basically 'white' wash it all in the hopes that it will just go away. I wish it (racism) would go away. But it hasn't so let's stop getting pissed at the people who point it out and start getting pissed at the people who would find this [Mark May] acceptable.

Where did I say ignore it?

It's an unpopular opinion, nothing more.

Orwellian groupthink with teeth scares me a whole helluva lot more than an idiot racist.

 

[OH10]

Where did I say ignore it?

It's an unpopular opinion, nothing more.

Orwellian groupthink with teeth scares me a whole helluva lot more than an idiot racist.

It’s a little bit more than an unpopular opinion, don’t you think?

Now, quite frankly, I can’t imagine why any black man with an ounce of self respect would ever want to join a group of racist idiots, but: It could be that fraternities like SAE provide job opportunities with alums. That’s typically how many of these greek organizations work. Denying entrance to a group of people based on race (which is apparently what they’re bragging about) is more than simply an unpopular opinion. It’s discrimination and that just might be something we’ve worked really hard over the last few decades to eradicate.

Turning a blind eye to discrimination or giving it the Bosa shrug as an “unpopular opinion, nothing more” scares me a hell of a lot more than shaming the shit out of shitstains like these kids.

 

[Bucky32]

Two Oklahoma students expelled for racist video - USA Today

I will say that I don't agree with this decision. Frankly, I think a better punishment for these pricks is to let them stay in school and make 'em have to deal with everyone knowing they're a bunch of racist fucks. Or maybe take the Inglorious Basterds approach. You can stay in school, but you need to get a 3" high SAE tattoo across your forehead.

 

[AJHawkfan]

If you can appropriately point out to me an example of what you're talking about, I'll be glad to address the issue on its individual merits.

BET - Black Entertainment Television
Miss Black Ohio - Miss Black America
Black student associations/student unions at various colleges
scholarships that are restricted to African-American candidates
the aforementioned African-American fraternities
Black Bike Weeks at Panama City/Daytona Beach/Myrtle Beach, etc.

Just google "Organizations for African-Americans" and you'll see what I mean...

Take any of the above and substitute the word "white" for "black" and tell me they would be equally as accepted.

Don't get me wrong, I do not have any problem with any of the above entities, nor do I feel that they should cease to exist. I just don't like the double standard that allows racism in one direction while condemning it in the other. If, as a society, we are supposed to eliminate racism and discrimination, shouldn't we strive to eliminate ALL forms of it?

 

[Jaxbuck]

It’s a little bit more than an unpopular opinion, don’t you think?

Now, quite frankly, I can’t imagine why any black man with an ounce of self respect would ever want to join a group of racist idiots, but: It could be that fraternities like SAE provide job opportunities with alums. That’s typically how many of these greek organizations work. Denying entrance to a group of people based on race (which is apparently what they’re bragging about) is more than simply an unpopular opinion. It’s discrimination and that just might be something we’ve worked really hard over the last few decades to eradicate.

Turning a blind eye to discrimination or giving it the Bosa shrug as an “unpopular opinion, nothing more” scares me a hell of a lot more than shaming the [Mark May] out of [Mark May]stains like these kids.

No, not really.

Take out chanting "nigger" on the bus and replace it with flag burning.

Still a blood lust to see kids thrown out of school?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Now, quite frankly, I can’t imagine why any black man with an ounce of self respect would ever want to join a group of racist idiots, but: It could be that fraternities like SAE provide job opportunities with alums. That’s typically how many of these greek organizations work. Denying entrance to a group of people based on race (which is apparently what they’re bragging about) is more than simply an unpopular opinion. It’s discrimination and that just might be something we’ve worked really hard over the last few decades to eradicate.

Turning a blind eye to discrimination or giving it the Bosa shrug as an “unpopular opinion, nothing more” scares me a hell of a lot more than shaming the [Mark May] out of [Mark May]stains like these kids.

It's a fucking fraternity, not a corporation. If a group of dipshit inbred hee-yuks want to form a stupid ass private group, let 'em. Not being accepted into some idiotic group doesn't affect to ability to earn a living or get an education.

That said, I totally agree with the university booting the fraternity from campus. Fraternities and sororities should meet certain standards of conduct. But, I disagree with the students being expelled simply for being ignorant morons...

 

[Merih]

As per usual, people are using the media's overreaction to an issue as a straw man to start a conversation on reverse racism.

A group of racist & ignorant kids spout garbage on a bus trip on behalf of their fraternity. The media, as it is prone to do, blows the story up into a national scandal.

Where in this narrative does it make sense to have a conversation about Affirmative Action, or African American-specific scholarships? Why should anyone have to defend these institutions because racist kids in Oklahoma spouted racist nonsense? It's completely non sequitur.

This happens all. the. time. At best it's frustrating. At worst it is disingenuous.

 

[Merih]

It's a fucking fraternity, not a corporation. If a group of dip[Mark May] inbred hee-yuks want to form a stupid ass private group, let 'em. Not being accepted into some idiotic group doesn't affect to ability to earn a living or get an education.

That said, I totally agree with the university booting the fraternity from campus. Fraternities and sororities should meet certain standards of conduct. But, I disagree with the students being expelled simply for being ignorant morons...

To be a student you have to abide by whatever that school's code of ethics happens to be. If racial discrimination is outlawed in the code of ethics, then you absolutely should face punishment. Same as if cheating on an exam is against the code, or other forms of misconduct. I don't see the difference.

 

[The KSB]

NASCAR, Lawn Bowling, Crew, Curling, Ice Skating/Dancing, come to think of it, the winter Olympics are pretty white.

uh.......Somebody obviously hasn't watched Cool Runnings.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

To be a student you have to abide by whatever that school's code of ethics happens to be. If racial discrimination is outlawed in the code of ethics, then you absolutely should face punishment. Same as if cheating on an exam is against the code, or other forms of misconduct. I don't see the difference.

Not sure if that would be specifically spelled out in the school's code of ethics. If it were, then any male-only, female-only, ethnicity-based entity would be outlawed. And would using an epithet in itself "discriminatory"?

 

[Bucky32]

I've been told that nice little chant is (or was) pretty popular amongst many southern SAE chapters. A little digging around finds that SAE has had somewhat of a racist reputation in the past, more so than your average "white" fraternity. It's not just exclusive to Oklahoma either - Wisconsin's own SAE brothers held, IIRC, a MLK day party at their apartment, not the house back in the mid-eighties. Watermelon, fried chicken, etc. A UW SAE member also bragged about doing a polar plunge "for the retards." Just a bunch of great dudes!

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

BET - Black Entertainment Television
Miss Black Ohio - Miss Black America
Black student associations/student unions at various colleges
scholarships that are restricted to African-American candidates
the aforementioned African-American fraternities
Black Bike Weeks at Panama City/Daytona Beach/Myrtle Beach, etc.

Just google "Organizations for African-Americans" and you'll see what I mean...

Take any of the above and substitute the word "white" for "black" and tell me they would be equally as accepted.

Don't get me wrong, I do not have any problem with any of the above entities, nor do I feel that they should cease to exist. I just don't like the double standard that allows racism in one direction while condemning it in the other. If, as a society, we are supposed to eliminate racism and discrimination, shouldn't we strive to eliminate ALL forms of it?

Don't forget Obama's "African-Americans for Obama" campaign near the end of the 2012 election. If Mitt Romney tried to employ an "Anglo-Americans for Romney" he would've been crucified. Yep, no double standard here...

 

[OH10]

BET - Black Entertainment Television
Miss Black Ohio - Miss Black America
Black student associations/student unions at various colleges
scholarships that are restricted to African-American candidates
the aforementioned African-American fraternities
Black Bike Weeks at Panama City/Daytona Beach/Myrtle Beach, etc.

Just google "Organizations for African-Americans" and you'll see what I mean...

Take any of the above and substitute the word "white" for "black" and tell me they would be equally as accepted.

Don't get me wrong, I do not have any problem with any of the above entities, nor do I feel that they should cease to exist. I just don't like the double standard that allows racism in one direction while condemning it in the other. If, as a society, we are supposed to eliminate racism and discrimination, shouldn't we strive to eliminate ALL forms of it?

Many of the things you referenced above are reactions to blacks being excluded in many walks of life in the United States for the majority of our history. You could have just as easily cited the Negro Leagues, which is existed solely because blacks had no where else to play baseball.

The other thing is that I don't see them saying on BET, for example, "they'll never be a honkey on BET..." and then talking about hanging them up from a tree. That might be one of the problems here...

 

[OH10]

It's a fucking fraternity, not a corporation. If a group of dip[Mark May] inbred hee-yuks want to form a stupid ass private group, let 'em. Not being accepted into some idiotic group doesn't affect to ability to earn a living or get an education.

That said, I totally agree with the university booting the fraternity from campus. Fraternities and sororities should meet certain standards of conduct. But, I disagree with the students being expelled simply for being ignorant morons...

Please. I'm guessing you haven't seen the business connections created by affiliations with certain fraternities. It's not some treehouse club.