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Relations who are of different religious beliefs and social conventions

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Taosman;1491016; said:
What I see is just plain old intolerance for people that don't go to church. Or feel the need to. It's no coincidence that you and mike80 and bigballin have used this thread to attack me. All of you are conservative church members. And have attacked me and what I believe/don't believe in other forums.
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I can only speak for myself, but I "attack" you because of your feeble attempts at debate and constant fail. I couldn't care less about your church beliefs, and I think you know this but you just like to play the poor, innocent role. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
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OC is right. It's a respect issue. I am asking Josh to show some respect for my beliefs and those that don't need to go to church. Does it make any of us superior? I doubt that. But it's not about being superior or as Josh puts it, not needing a crutch. It's about being happy who we are and not needing more. :biggrin:
But there are those that don't get that and would beat us over the head to make us see the light. Or just attack us at every opportunity because they hate. What kind of Christian is that?
None that I would have as a friend Or family. So if you don't like me, just put me on "Ignore" and go to the next post. See. No problem! :biggrin:
 
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Taosman;1491286; said:
OC is right. It's a respect issue. I am asking Josh to show some respect for my beliefs and those that don't need to go to church. Does it make any of us superior?
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When have you EVER shown ANY respect for anyone else's beliefs but your own ESPECIALLY when it comes to religion?

The answer is never. We both know it.
 
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Whatever. You're all idiots but me. Me and my God. Which is a man. With flowing white robes. And a groomed Beaniesque beard. Actually, He is Beanie. In white robes. Made from terrycloth. And gucci flip-flops. And 6 top model chicks.

And He's on a boat.
 
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jwinslow;1490932; said:
Who did the attacking Taos? The last on-topic post I made in this thread got your overwhelming support. Then you continued your multi-year soapbox against the crutch needed by weak religious folk, and I pointed out the irony. You pressed the issue, and here we are.
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Talk about irony - Taos never would have 'pressed' the issue if you hadn't posted the iron.

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BuckeyeMike80;1491295; said:
When have you EVER shown ANY respect for anyone else's beliefs but your own ESPECIALLY when it comes to religion?

The answer is never. We both know it.
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In addition to no one giving a shit about his religious beliefs, rather pointing out the irony in every single one his regarding respect for religious beliefs.
 
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bigballin2987;1491315; said:
In addition to no one giving a shit about his religious beliefs, rather pointing out the irony in every single one his regarding respect for religious beliefs.
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Are you on an afternoon drunk again, Mr. Ballin? Please to make for the understanding of others the latter portion of your sentence. :biggrin:
 
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Lots of interesting stuff in this thread and I am glad I took the time to read most of it......

I was raised Lutheran by my mother, my father didn't attend much, but made sure we did attend church with her.

My wife was raised Catholic and it has been an interesting ride for the last 20 some odd years. We raised my daughter in the Catholic religion because it was very important to my wife and her family, which was fine with me. I do occasiionally pull my daughter aside and give her my insight to things. But, I have allowed her to make her own choice and that is what this is a personal choice based on as OCBW said her experiences. Is that any different than anything else in life?

What is difficult for me, is I believe in my own way,and not unlike OCBW not wanting to be peppered with believing, I don't feel I should be forced into believing in the same way as others. To me this really gets into the heart of the matter, which is organized religion, and man's interpretation of what they believe God laid down.

I was told that I had to learn how to take communion the "right way" when I looked at joining the Catholic church. Wow, talk about a turn off. I didn't realize that Jesus dictated who could take communion and how it worked beyond the body and the blood and believing in him. I didn't realize that only one religion new the "right way" to take communion. Seeing as I had already been through all the religious pomp and circumstance in the Lutheran Church, I said thanks but no thanks.

Getting to a lot of OCBW's questions...I would say stay strong (I know you do), only engage in what makes you comfortable and be frank with them on the fact that you don't wish to discuss things. I love debating and discussing religion and its role in history but I walk away from all family matters relative to beliefs when the discussions start happening..

They obviously know where you stand at this point in time and for them to pursue this course is disrespectful to you. Let them know, otherwise they will continue to pursue it. Make it clear that your house is just that, your house and that it is your safe haven for your beliefs not theirs.

Any wonder I love Monty Python's Life of Brian......
 
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buckeyebri;1491393; said:
Lots of interesting stuff in this thread and I am glad I took the time to read most of it......

I was raised Lutheran by my mother, my father didn't attend much, but made sure we did attend church with her.

My wife was raised Catholic and it has been an interesting ride for the last 20 some odd years. We raised my daughter in the Catholic religion because it was very important to my wife and her family, which was fine with me. I do occasiionally pull my daughter aside and give her my insight to things. But, I have allowed her to make her own choice and that is what this is a personal choice based on as OCBW said her experiences. Is that any different than anything else in life?

What is difficult for me, is I believe in my own way,and not unlike OCBW not wanting to be peppered with believing, I don't feel I should be forced into believing in the same way as others. To me this really gets into the heart of the matter, which is organized religion, and man's interpretation of what they believe God laid down.

I was told that I had to learn how to take communion the "right way" when I looked at joining the Catholic church. Wow, talk about a turn off. I didn't realize that Jesus dictated who could take communion and how it worked beyond the body and the blood and believing in him. I didn't realize that only one religion new the "right way" to take communion. Seeing as I had already been through all the religious pomp and circumstance in the Lutheran Church, I said thanks but no thanks.

Getting to a lot of OCBW's questions...I would say stay strong (I know you do), only engage in what makes you comfortable and be frank with them on the fact that you don't wish to discuss things. I love debating and discussing religion and its role in history but I walk away from all family matters relative to beliefs when the discussions start happening..

They obviously know where you stand at this point in time and for them to pursue this course is disrespectful to you. Let them know, otherwise they will continue to pursue it. Make it clear that your house is just that, your house and that it is your safe haven for your beliefs not theirs.

Any wonder I love Monty Python's Life of Brian......
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This is a fantastic, on topic,post. To hear other people's experiences of how they were exposed to, and how they dealt with, the problem of "religion at odds" , as it were, has been great. I really appreciate the various views and ways of dealing with it that have been presented.

It can be such a touchy subject. Unfortunately, it does come down to an unhappy moment, the division of who's beliefs are right or wrong(in each individuals belief system) and it is something that can't always be dealt with in a satisfactory, to all, manner. I hope that, with my family members, I will be able to enact some of the suggestions in this thread.

My mother's favorite movie of that group is also "Life of Brian." :wink2:

One final thought. It occurs to me that religion, of various flavor, is actually so divisive, I sometimes don't understand how it has stood the test of time as a system of faith.

But that should probably be for another thread, in a different forum. :biggrin:
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1491295; said:
When have you EVER shown ANY respect for anyone beliefs but your own ESPECIALLY when it comes to religion?

The answer is never. We both know it.
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You, apparently, don't know or even care at this point.
Let me be clear for you.
I am not against anyone going to church. As I have repeatedly said.
Lots of great things happen in church. It is the basis for much of my thinking and life.
I never tell people to stop going if they need or want to go to church.
I don't go. I have left most church dogma at the river bank so to speak.
For me all teaching is just the boat to cross the river. You get to the other side, you should (try to)leave it behind. (this is Buddhist teaching) That works for me.
"Traditionally, the Dharma(dogma/learning) is said to be like a ship. If you want to cross a lake or an ocean, you have to rely on a ship. Dharma is like the boat or ship which helps you across. It helps you travel faster and not sink in this ocean of samsara.(suffering) So Dharma is the path, Dharma is the words and wisdom of Buddha, and Dharma is simply one's own understanding, experience, and realization. Our relationship with the Dharma is like our relationship with a boat or ship. After we have crossed the water, there's no need for us to carry the boat or ship. Therefore, after we have crossed the ocean of samsara, then we no more take refuge in Dharma." http://www.nalandabodhi.org/buddha_dharma_sangha.html

I love this country, passionately.
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I fully understand I have been part of my own problems on this. But my motivations I have made clear in other threads.(Americans were/are dying) Or at least tried to make clearer over the attacks. But I understand that's not good enough for some of the haters here.
I was attacked here for just lending support to people who have "crossed the river" for the most part.
I think OC and Jake and buckeyebri are better for it.(leaving said boat/teaching at the river) They would seem to be agreeing with that sentiment.
 
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Taosman;1491480; said:
I love this country, passionately.
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I fully understand I have been part of my own problems on this. But my motivations I have made clear in other threads.(Americans were/are dying) Or at least tried to make clearer over the attacks. But I understand that's not good enough for some of the haters here.
I was attacked here for just lending support to people who have "crossed the river" for the most part.
I think OC and Jake and buckeyebri are better for it.(leaving said boat/teaching at the river) They would seem to be agreeing with that sentiment.
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What do Americans dying have to do with how to deal with relatives that won't stop trying to convert someone by the way? That part I totally didn't get. :)
 
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