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Relations who are of different religious beliefs and social conventions

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Thanks for bumping a post I already quoted. Very productive.
I was attacked here for just lending support to people who have "crossed the river" for the most part.
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Your support attacked & belittled those who believed differently than you, but keep feigning innocence and finding away to scold others for that very act.
 
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People should be allowed to believe what they want. Sharing with a friend is fine is done properly, whether it be a new diet or 30 year long walk of faith. "Properly" means shutting up and respecting their wishes if they don't want to hear about the diet you can't live without. They believe they will be quite happy without it, and that's their choice. Sharing shouldn't even happen in every situation (another problem on both sides of the aisle).

Religion is not limited to those who believe in the acknowledged faiths, nor is the ability to offend others with your preaching. Talking down to someone can be just as offensive, regardless of whether the scolder is a believer (you're a stubborn, lost fool if you don't believe, you need this!) or an atheist (you're a weak, lost fool if you need this belief).
 
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Taosman;1491480; said:
I fully understand I have been part of my own problems on this. But my motivations I have made clear in other threads.(Americans were/are dying) Or at least tried to make clearer over the attacks. But I understand that's not good enough for some of the haters here.
I was attacked here for just lending support to people who have "crossed the river" for the most part.
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Taos, you seem troubled.

Maybe you could come to town and come to church with with me sometime.

There will be cupcakes!
 
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jwinslow;1491592; said:
People should be allowed to believe what they want. Sharing with a friend is fine is done properly, whether it be a new diet or 30 year long walk of faith. "Properly" means shutting up and respecting their wishes if they don't want to hear about the diet you can't live without. They believe they will be quite happy without it, and that's their choice. Sharing shouldn't even happen in every situation (another problem on both sides of the aisle).

Religion is not limited to those who believe in the acknowledged faiths, nor is the ability to offend others with your preaching. Talking down to someone can be just as offensive, regardless of whether the scolder is a believer (you're a stubborn, lost fool if you don't believe, you need this!) or an atheist (you're a weak, lost fool if you need this belief).
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Excellent points, both, and well spoken.
 
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Taosman;1491480; said:
You, apparently, don't know or even care at this point.
Let me be clear for you.
I am not against anyone going to church. As I have repeatedly said.
Lots of great things happen in church. It is the basis for much of my thinking and life.
I never tell people to stop going if they need or want to go to church.
I don't go. I have left most church dogma at the river bank so to speak.
For me all teaching is just the boat to cross the river. You get to the other side, you should (try to)leave it behind. (this is Buddhist teaching) That works for me.
"Traditionally, the Dharma(dogma/learning) is said to be like a ship. If you want to cross a lake or an ocean, you have to rely on a ship. Dharma is like the boat or ship which helps you across. It helps you travel faster and not sink in this ocean of samsara.(suffering) So Dharma is the path, Dharma is the words and wisdom of Buddha, and Dharma is simply one's own understanding, experience, and realization. Our relationship with the Dharma is like our relationship with a boat or ship. After we have crossed the water, there's no need for us to carry the boat or ship. Therefore, after we have crossed the ocean of samsara, then we no more take refuge in Dharma." The Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha

I love this country, passionately.
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I fully understand I have been part of my own problems on this. But my motivations I have made clear in other threads.(Americans were/are dying) Or at least tried to make clearer over the attacks. But I understand that's not good enough for some of the haters here.
I was attacked here for just lending support to people who have "crossed the river" for the most part.
I think OC and Jake and buckeyebri are better for it.(leaving said boat/teaching at the river) They would seem to be agreeing with that sentiment.
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Therein lies your problem here Taos. You view not believing in Christianity or not going to church or whatever it is you believe here as a superior position. You are not being "live and let live" because you judge those who go to church as "needing something you don't need". The reason this is relevant to OCBW is that you are doing the opposite equivalent of what her family is doing. Your position as you have outlined it seems to be along the lines of "You go to church? Why don't you give all that shit up and kick out your crutch like I have" which is equivalent to religious people saying to you that you need to go to church because you "haven't seen the light". A person is not truly tolerant of anyone else if they feel superior to them, and that goes for being religious or anti-religious, church or anti-church.
 
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An alternative viewpoint is that the denial of spiritual existence is simply another religion. Religious irreligion. Personally, I believe very much in spiritual existence. I have seen people find great happiness due to spiritual fulfillment.

On the other hand, if my relations don't believe in spiritual values or follow a religion other than mine, I just make it very clear that I respect their right to believe as they do, have no basis for saying that they are wrong, and prefer to avoid religious discussions the minute they cause disunity.
 
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jwinslow;1491592; said:
People should be allowed to believe what they want. Sharing with a friend is fine is done properly, whether it be a new diet or 30 year long walk of faith. "Properly" means shutting up and respecting their wishes if they don't want to hear about the diet you can't live without.
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Well-stated, Josh. I've long believed (as a Christian) that evangelism should be pretty much self-fulfilling; if your faith is as strong as it should be, you won't need to "tell other people about Jesus;" they'll beat down your door asking about Him.
 
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