brutus2002
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Dabo cannot leave Clemson for ten years. He may also want to get the divorce papers ready also because his wife love it there. His new contract had a 10 year clause where he could not leave for BAMA.
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Dabo cannot leave Clemson for ten years. He may also want to get the divorce papers ready also because his wife love it there. His new contract had a 10 year clause where he could not leave for BAMA.
I think the talk of Dabo leaving may be overblown. The only reasoning that people give is because it’s his alma mater.he can have the same success and money at Clemson, and not the same amount of pressure. Don’t overlook Sagan retiring and Dabo staying put and keeping Clemson near the the top...
Any thing is possible in crootin, but I think the chance to be the man and not have any rumors about switching to defense may keep him at Arizona St.
there are still options at RB(I.e. Smith, Drennen, Berger, JutAhn McClain-flip, Miyan Williams, etc). It helps that whoever we bring in, has the luxury of possibly being able to sit for a year as the RB room still has a lot of talent even if Dobbins leaves (fans are sleeping on Teague, Crowley, Steele and McCall)
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Everything is negotiable for the right price. And Bama would pay.
That said, i dont think Saban is going anywhere anytime soon.
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The week in review....
July 29: Kendall Milton commits to Georgia.
July 30: Ohio State lean Makari Paige commits to Michigan.
July 30: Ohio State lean Jaylan Knighton commits to Florida State.
August 2: Ohio State lock Bijan Robinson commits to Texas.
August 3: Kedrick Bingley-Jones commits to North Carolina.
Not hyperbole - last week was one of the worst weeks ever for Ohio State on the recruiting trail. The closest example in (somewhat) recent memory would be the Signing Day Massacre of 2003, when the Buckeyes came in second place for four top targets (DE Turk McBride to Tennessee; RB Michael Bush to Louisville; WR Devin Stearns to Cal; and most painful of all, LB Shawn Crable to Michigan). To add injury to insult, Ohio State also lost verbal commitment Stanley McClover to Auburn in one of the more shady flips on record.
When you're aiming for national championships, one or two key players might really make all the difference. Let's take a walk down memory lane.... It's February 6, 2013, National Letter of Intent Day. Five-star safety Vonn Bell from suburban Chattanooga, Tennessee, issues a somewhat surprising commitment to Ohio State over the previous favorite, Alabama. With Bell on board, Ohio State finishes with the #2 recruiting class in the country, right behind Alabama.
Well, beating Alabama for a recruit is nice, but did it really matter in the long run? It most certainly did. Let's fast forward a bit.... It's now January 1, 2015. New Orleans, Louisiana. The 2015 Sugar Bowl. Ohio State versus Alabama. There's 10:03 left in the game. Ohio State is punting from its own end zone leading 34 to 28. Cam Johnston hits a short punt, then gets the worst bounce ever as the ball rockets straight backward. It's finally downed at the Ohio State 23-yard line. It's the kind of play that has "choke job" written all over it. Bama fans are waiting for the dagger to the heart. Buckeye fans flash back to the Cooper years....
On the very next play, the Bama QB drops back, rolls right, throws toward the end zone ... and the ball is picked off by none other than Vonn Bell. The momentum quickly swings back to Ohio State, a few minutes later Ezekiel Elliott goes 85 yards through the Heart of the South, the Buckeyes hang on to beat the Crimson Tide, 42-35, then blow out Oregon in the National Championship Game.
Did Vonn Bell's interception win the Sugar Bowl, and ultimately a national championship, for Ohio State? Football is a team game, and lots of players made great plays during that championship run. But Bell's interception was a perfect example of a big time player making a big time play in one of the biggest games in the storied history of Ohio State football. And if Vonn Bell is wearing crimson instead of scarlet, that play never happens.
Back to Minnesota for a minute. Let's not forget, Minnesota won six national championships between 1934 and 1960, before they became the Minnesota that we all know and love. There are probably still a few old time Minnesota fans wondering where it all went wrong....
July 29: Kendall Milton commits to Georgia.
July 30: Ohio State lean Makari Paige commits to Michigan.
July 30: Ohio State lean Jaylan Knighton commits to Florida State.
August 2: Ohio State lock Bijan Robinson commits to Texas.
August 3: Kedrick Bingley-Jones commits to North Carolina.
Not hyperbole - last week was one of the worst weeks ever for Ohio State on the recruiting trail. The closest example in (somewhat) recent memory would be the Signing Day Massacre of 2003, when the Buckeyes came in second place for four top targets (DE Turk McBride to Tennessee; RB Michael Bush to Louisville; WR Devin Stearns to Cal; and most painful of all, LB Shawn Crable to Michigan). To add injury to insult, Ohio State also lost verbal commitment Stanley McClover to Auburn in one of the more shady flips on record.
Was last week Doomsweek for Ohio State recruiting? Will we suddenly become Minnesota? No, of course not. So why is it such a big deal to me? Because we are not Alabama or Clemson, and if we aspire to be Alabama or Clemson, then we have to recruit at the very highest level. We simply cannot miss on our top targets, especially three of them in one week. Urban Meyer knew that. Urban Meyer would not be taking these losses lightly. Urban Meyer would definitely believe that this class's success would hinge on the RBs that we lost. Because guys like Urban Meyer (and Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney and Kirby Smart) know that to win in the end, you have to win every step along the way. Greatness is a process the begins and ends with greatness.
When you're aiming for national championships, one or two key players might really make all the difference. Let's take a walk down memory lane.... It's February 6, 2013, National Letter of Intent Day. Five-star safety Vonn Bell from suburban Chattanooga, Tennessee, issues a somewhat surprising commitment to Ohio State over the previous favorite, Alabama. With Bell on board, Ohio State finishes with the #2 recruiting class in the country, right behind Alabama.
Well, beating Alabama for a recruit is nice, but did it really matter in the long run? It most certainly did. Let's fast forward a bit.... It's now January 1, 2015. New Orleans, Louisiana. The 2015 Sugar Bowl. Ohio State versus Alabama. There's 10:03 left in the game. Ohio State is punting from its own end zone leading 34 to 28. Cam Johnston hits a short punt, then gets the worst bounce ever as the ball rockets straight backward. It's finally downed at the Ohio State 23-yard line. It's the kind of play that has "choke job" written all over it. Bama fans are waiting for the dagger to the heart. Buckeye fans flash back to the Cooper years....
On the very next play, the Bama QB drops back, rolls right, throws toward the end zone ... and the ball is picked off by none other than Vonn Bell. The momentum quickly swings back to Ohio State, a few minutes later Ezekiel Elliott goes 85 yards through the Heart of the South, the Buckeyes hang on to beat the Crimson Tide, 42-35, then blow out Oregon in the National Championship Game.
Did Vonn Bell's interception win the Sugar Bowl, and ultimately a national championship, for Ohio State? Football is a team game, and lots of players made great plays during that championship run. But Bell's interception was a perfect example of a big time player making a big time play in one of the biggest games in the storied history of Ohio State football. And if Vonn Bell is wearing crimson instead of scarlet, that play never happens.
Back to Minnesota for a minute. Let's not forget, Minnesota won six national championships between 1934 and 1960, before they became the Minnesota that we all know and love. There are probably still a few old time Minnesota fans wondering where it all went wrong....
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Honor&Glory
Paper,Rock, Scissors, Lizard, Spock!
Now i fee like jumping off a bridge. Thanks LJB. :(
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Agreed overall about the arms race, particularly with Clemson going unchecked at stockpiling superstars (which they've always done, but not at this volume). That said, when discussing major factors in winning that game:
#1) Sending Trey DePriest to Alabama. He was integral in many of those huge runs, particularly that early run down the sideline by Zeke and the constant 3rd and long scrambles by Cardale. Not taking anything away from either of those players, just reflecting on the OSU benefit of that major recruiting loss. There were short term pains at OSU (at LB) as a result, but in the biggest moment, they got an unexpected boost.
#2) Lane Kiffin was integral to OSU's success later in that game. OSU did not stop Henry. Lane Kiffin was the gift that keeps on giving, and took the ball away from Henry, not only on that foolish INT (which was incredibly huge for momentum, and very supportive of your point) but also one of the most improbable pick sixes in school history.
#3) the lowly regarded Evan Spencer (who would never be recruited by Meyer) was the mvp of 85 yds through the heart of the south, and he played out of his mind that game. He had one of the best & most legendary throws in school history. He (and CJ) stole Landon Collins' manhood and has yet to return it. He ended the game on a razor thin onsides kick recovery. He almost threw in one of the greatest 1 handed catches too.
I'm in both camps with your existing argument. I just wanted to celebrate those 3 heroes for OSU, two of which were on Alabama's budget.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
I’ve had the exact same thoughts on Bell as a recruit and then ultimately making the Bama play. You know why we each have considered it? Because it’s much MUCH easier to make those connections....he was an early Urb 5 star recruit who announced on TV, etc and yes he made a huge, pivotal play. But here’s the thing, how many equally, pivotal plays were made by less heralded recruits. Heck even plays in that same Bama game, ala the infamous Evan Spencer block, plays by Lee, etc?
Last week sucked for recruiting, no doubt. But I’m cautious to make the leap to saying it could cost us a Natty. Do we need to keep up with Clemson and Bama? Sure. But I’d posit that you can also cost yourself shots at Natty’s in a wide range of ways too like predictably running your QB on 4th down, etc.
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1926Buckeyes
Head Coach
Totally agree with this. It's cognitive dissonance to expect to beat Clemson & Alabama on the field, but downplay big losses at a position in need of a couple of big time recruits. It doesn't prevent OSU from winning a title, but it makes it much more difficult when you're facing a defense with 7 5*s. Maybe there isn't a huge difference between some of these guys that Clemson and Bama are getting, but it is a difference, and it's still building up.
That being said, Day's done a great job on the recruiting trail this year. But somehow it still feels like they're losing ground to Clem/Bama, and that's really frustrating.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
Pretty funny we were each typing an Evan analogy at the same time.
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BTSBuckeye
Senior
Ohio State has nearly twice as many Top 100 recruits on their current roster than Clemson, and is the closest team to Alabama depth wise.
Recruiting isn't the issue ... it's losing to bad teams badly that is keeping them from their end goal.
Recruiting isn't the issue ... it's losing to bad teams badly that is keeping them from their end goal.
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Nigel Tufnel
Choking on vomit
I always enjoy LJB’s retrospectives because it’s a blast from the past. It’s never good to lose such high quality prospects but I have to saw that comparing it to the 2003 massacre is enlightening in that none of those guys we lost were really a huge deal in the end. Crable was ok but not a huge loss. Think maybe Bush was the “Star” performer of that group.
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