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I made this point in another thread, thought I'd psot it here as well. I understand draft projections don't mean much when it comes to the college game, but I'm getting frustrated listening to national media members talking about how little talent we have compared to the rest of the BCS contenders.

According to Mel Kiper after the Michigan game:
  • Malcolm Jenkins is either the #1 or #2 DB in the country right there with Cason from Arizona
  • James Laurinitis will be the first LB taken if he leaves
  • Vernon Gholston may have moved himself to the #1 DE after the Michigan game (mostly depends on a 3-4 defense vs. 4-3 defense and who's drafting)
I cannot think of a single other time in College/NFL hsitory where a team could produce the first defensive player in 3 different defensive categories. I know Glenn Dorsey will be taken before Gholston on the DL, but seperate DE from DT and its entirely possible.

Maybe NFL GM's just like slow, non-talented players though.
 
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billmac91;1007090; said:
I made this point in another thread, thought I'd psot it here as well. I understand draft projections don't mean much when it comes to the college game, but I'm getting frustrated listening to national media members talking about how little talent we have compared to the rest of the BCS contenders.

According to Mel Kiper after the Michigan game:
  • Malcolm Jenkins is either the #1 or #2 DB in the country right there with Cason from Arizona
  • James Laurinitis will be the first LB taken if he leaves
  • Vernon Gholston may have moved himself to the #1 DE after the Michigan game (mostly depends on a 3-4 defense vs. 4-3 defense and who's drafting)
I cannot think of a single other time in College/NFL hsitory where a team could produce the first defensive player in 3 different defensive categories. I know Glenn Dorsey will be taken before Gholston on the DL, but seperate DE from DT and its entirely possible.

Maybe NFL GM's just like slow, non-talented players though.
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That's probably the most complete exposition of that argument that I've seen. While you, I and at least 2 others that I've counted have made that point in the past few days; the WVU fans ignore it and tell each other that we don't discuss logic around here.

If one of them could provide a refutation, or an argument with as much merit, I'm all ears.

Or as has been suggested, they could learn from posts of the respected visiting fans like EngineerHorn, HtM, Sniper, HighLonesome and several others.

Or they can continue to be the mildly amusing diversion they've been.
 
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billmac91;1007090; said:
I made this point in another thread, thought I'd psot it here as well. I understand draft projections don't mean much when it comes to the college game, but I'm getting frustrated listening to national media members talking about how little talent we have compared to the rest of the BCS contenders.

According to Mel Kiper after the Michigan game:
  • Malcolm Jenkins is either the #1 or #2 DB in the country right there with Cason from Arizona
  • James Laurinitis will be the first LB taken if he leaves
  • Vernon Gholston may have moved himself to the #1 DE after the Michigan game (mostly depends on a 3-4 defense vs. 4-3 defense and who's drafting)
I cannot think of a single other time in College/NFL hsitory where a team could produce the first defensive player in 3 different defensive categories. I know Glenn Dorsey will be taken before Gholston on the DL, but seperate DE from DT and its entirely possible.

Maybe NFL GM's just like slow, non-talented players though.
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I agree. It's getting a little off topic but someone posted a list about a month and a half to two months ago listing all of the defensive players from tOSU and LSU and thier respective speeds. The reason for using LSU at the time was because they were #1, undefeated and the "best SEC team" from the "Fastest Conference". The only place where a LSU player was in fact quicker was the LB department...Kinda interesting. Let me see if I can find it.


EDIT: Found it courtesy of BGriffBuckeye
They also seem to think that SEC teams run faster than Big 10 teams can think. Well, take a look at this from LSU's incredible defensive speed when compared to ours (these times were taken from Rivals when they were recruits, so some may be faster now... I couldn't find Rahim Allen on Rivals):

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i would absolutely love to play wvu in the national championship... it would be nice to get to be the front line for once against another state (see map)... just to make sure everyone knows i will be waging war for osu every single day because i work in wv... i will be sure to make yins proud...

and on the discussion of why they are ranked ahead of us.. its one reason and one reason only.. the timing of their loss plain and simple... we can argue sos all day long but timing is everything, especially this year
 

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(o) IoI /o (o);1007102; said:
I couldn't find Rahim Allen on Rivals):

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That would be because there is no such player.

Rahim Alem is the DE previously listed on the depth chart at Rivals.

I'll defer to GeauxTigers on this, but by his stat sheet Rahim may not have seen the field with the frequency one might expect of a 1st on Depth chart.

His birth surname was Jones, and he is apparently a serious (perhaps too serious) student-athlete.
 
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I was listening to Fox Sports Radio coming back from St. Augustine on I-95 in Florida, when I heard Tim Brando state that "If West Virginia and Ohio State play for the N/C in new Orleans, West Virginia will destroy Ohio State".
I was stunned to hear that. More than that I was dumbfounded. How could he make a statement like that. I always thought he was a pretty good analyst of college football. Now I am not so sure.
 
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I was listening to Fox Sports Radio coming back from St. Augustine on I-95 in Florida, when I heard Tim Brando state that "If West Virginia and Ohio State play for the N/C in new Orleans, West Virginia will destroy Ohio State".
I was stunned to hear that. More than that I was dumbfounded. How could he make a statement like that. I always thought he was a pretty good analyst of college football. Now I am not so sure.
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People in TV land (a separate entity form "The Real World") Know that talking shit brings in viewers/listners... Howard Stern, Al Franken, Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Springer, Don Imus and ESPN. They don't need facts because those just get in the way of their opinions. Right now talking shit about Ohio State creates a stir in the entire Midwest market. It excites the WVU fan base, it causes people in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Indiana to tune in. that brings in ratings, which brings in commercial rates, which brings in money.

It has nothing to do with reality and has no intention of going there, now or after the game. You can't sell reality.
 
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I know that the thread passed this subject a few pages ago, but I want to explain to Mr. I-would-take-WVU-UC-Rutgers-and-whoever-else-over-OSU-Michigan-Wisconsin-and-Penn-State that out-of-conference schedule isn't important. It's OVERALL schedule. The overall schedule includes out-of-conference schedule, but it also includes in-conference schedule. That's where West Virginia's argument falls apart.
 
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cnnsi.com

Forgotten force

West Virginia has quietly crept into the driver's seat

It's time to debunk some lingering myths about the West Virginia Mountaineers.
The thought occurred to me while standing on the field at Arrowhead Stadium following Missouri's win over Kansas last Saturday night. Discussing the possibility of a Tigers-Mountaineers national-title matchup, I overheard one normally knowledgeable college football writer proclaim, "West Virginia's defense is terrible."
The Mountaineers have given up 298 yards per game this season, sixth-lowest in the country.
I don't blame my fellow scribe for not being up on West Virginia's defense. The fact is, it was fairly suspect -- in 2006. Just like Steve Slaton used to be the Mountaineers' primary weapon -- last season.

Continued........
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osugrad21;597541; said:
And, yes, he knows WVU beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. "That was West Virginia's biggest game in a decade," said Cowherd, who argues that the Mountaineers can beat a national power in a single-game situation but not a bunch of national powers in a four- or five-game stretch. "That was Georgia's seventh-biggest game last season. Look at the schedule. They play Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, LSU.
"A bowl game is supposed to be a reward. Georgia didn't want to play a home game against West Virginia. I don't believe it was fluke. I believe West Virginia can play with the big boys. But West Virginia was focused for that game. Georgia wasn't."
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I truly respect the SEC, but this gets ridiculous. I suppose lack of focus is what caused other SEC teams to lose their bowl games, but it was superior opponents that beat Ohio State and Michigan in the BCS and Rose bowls. And the bowls are "a reward game." Then why are the final polls and the NC determined by them... oh, unless our favorite team doesn't get in the BCS bowl, in which case we can have two National Champions despite the fact that one team never made it to that game.

Bend your theories until they prove what you need.
 
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