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Zach Smith (Official Thread)

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by BB73, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. OhioState001

    OhioState001 Tressel Loyalist

    His ex wife was smoking hot, she could have found rich suitors easily
     
  2. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    Yeah so it's odd why all the sudden enough is enough?
     
  3. kujirakira

    kujirakira Senior

    I think the writing has been on the wall about coaching for awhile. He recruits well, but those guys haven't performed. Thomas was the only guy he could hang his hat on... but that's all Thomas. It's not as bad as it was when Urban took over, but it's also the weakest link on the offense - probably team.
    The tweeting is whatever afaic. People will take a new spin on it in light of the DV stuff.

    In any case, I'm still not siding with cdiddy. Either spill beans or don't spill beans. Don't hint at shit for years... or pull nonsense like "you can't handle the truth" :roll1: This isn't PSU, nobody is going to rally around a shitbag... and plenty criticism of Urban inbound too.

    Multiple issues going back 10 years screams "for cause" to me.
    But the twitter stuff could get saucy... not sure what good telling him to interview elsewhere does either; he's unemployable at this point.
    Maybe he can go to Italy with Art Briles.

    Yeap. This seemed most obvious with the Ray Rice situation to me.
    It's worse than raping children for decades... so... =/

    Legally hadn't done anything wrong? Or legally hadn't been held accountable?
    Not to try him before the judge and jury... but there's a big difference between those two. And it starts to sound a bit PSU excuse making.

    That's fairly common, actually. This discussion was had about Jameis issue and FSU deliberations. In terms of standards for evidence: Criminal > Civil > Work/University/Association/etc.
    It has a specific legal term that I can never remember =/

    We're talking about years before now... ie he shouldn't have been hired in the first place, or he should have been fired in 2015... nobody is disputing his being fired for cause presently.

    That's a fair point. And I guess I beat this dead horse in the PSU thread but it says everything to me that he walked into that room knowing JoePa was going to cut him loose as a Grad assistant. Paterno and McQueary both testified to that fact. And he walks out of that office with a permanent job as a position coach... they bought his silence for 10 years.
    Nor was McQ the first incident. Paterno knew exactly what was going on, actively covered it up, and enabled it to continue... for decades... giving Sandusky unfettered access to facilities long after he stopped being a coach.
     
  4. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun ‘18 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    Huge difference between somebody being an asshole and somebody you employ being investigated by the cops multiple times over a several year span for domestic violence.

    It simply isn't something a person in a leadership position can shrug his shoulders over and say "what can I do?"

    If we are going to play hypotheticals, what if you knew it was happening and Smith fucked around and killed her after the second or third time?

    I don't think it's on par with Sandusky (few things could be) but I would argue that Smith was in a position to teach and influence young men at your place of work (ostensibly his primary job) and therefore significant character concerns acted out at home do indeed have an impact inside the halls of the WHAC.
     
  5. sparcboxbuck

    sparcboxbuck What happened to my ¤cash?

    Thankfully, never being close to such a situation, I’ll fall on my noob sword... but could 2009 or 2015 have happened without an employer being made aware?

    If charges aren’t filed, you’d have to proactively search for public records like that in order to find them, no?

    Serious questions. I really don’t know.
     
  6. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun ‘18 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    Do you think the head football coach at a school like PSU/OSU etc don't know if cops are called on their players or assistant coaches?

    I personally find that incredibly hard to believe.
     
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  7. sparcboxbuck

    sparcboxbuck What happened to my ¤cash?

    I get that. I’m sure that there are all kinds of communication lines where stuff like this gets filtered up. I’m frankly, trying to make sense of it all.

    And FOIA request for Urban’s email in 3...2...1...
     
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  8. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun ‘18 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    oh god, don't even
     
  9. sparcboxbuck

    sparcboxbuck What happened to my ¤cash?

    Fuuuuu. You know it’s coming.
     
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  10. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    UFM isn't the law and there's nothing he could've done to prevent the abuse.

    He should've never hired him but nothing UFM did was illegal.

    This isn't anywhere close like enabling a child rapist. No where close
     
  11. OH10

    OH10 *

    I’d like to think Urban doesn’t use email.

    I don’t disagree. Urban done f’d up. But let’s not bring Sandusky into it. That’s like anytime someone brings up Hitler in a political discussion.

    Here’s my question to you: Should Urban be fired? I think that’s an overreaction.
     
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  12. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun ‘18 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    If the job were actually and educator and leader of young men then I'd consider it. If the principal of an elementary school kept a teacher on in similar circumstances then it would be an option on the table I would think.

    As Max reminded us all though, the job is to beat tsun and compete for championships so as long as he's delivering on those then keep him and let everybody have their own personal views of the man separate from the role of head football coach.
     
  13. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

    I don't.

    It is not clear to me - and I may be missing something - that the 2015 incident was reported in the press. Police come to my house and a report gets filed. But unless somebody is scanning police records that doesn't get in the papers and it doesn't get to my boss. OSU may be monitoring the players, but doubt seriously if they are monitoring police reports for coaches on an ongoing basis. It is the press that gets this stuff out there and Smith is a name easily missed among the numerous domestic abuse reports that are filed daily.

    I was deputy director of an organization of 300 people and can recall only one instance where I became aware of charges being filed against one of my people. Among 300 folks I know there were DUIs, there were drugs, there was likely some domestic abuse. The reason I knew about the one instance was because the employee didn't show up for work.

    That said, if Urban did know I am fine with whatever this may cost him.
     
  14. 1926Buckeyes

    1926Buckeyes Senior

    No. You can argue for it, but I'd be surprised no matter what coach we were talking about. Unless that coach has had a line of these incidents at his place of tenure.

    There have have some issues while Meyer's been here, but not that many more than with JT, who I liked a lot more. This is obviously a wake up call, though, and can't be reoccurring.
     
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  15. OH10

    OH10 *

    Urban definitely knew. Jason at 11W said they’ve known about the 2015 and 2009 incidents for a while but didn’t run with them because no charges. If they knew, Urban knew. I don’t think it rises to the level of a fireable offense. It forever impacts my opinion of Urban as a person. But then again, I never thought he was good person. I did think that of Jim Tressel - and still do.
     

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