Zach Smith (Official Thread)

[OhioState001]

In point of fact, his ex likely benefited from Smith holding such a highly paid job.

His ex wife was smoking hot, she could have found rich suitors easily

 

[bukIpower]

In point of fact, his ex likely benefited from Smith holding such a highly paid job.

Yeah so it's odd why all the sudden enough is enough?

 

[kujirakira]

Ha. Today is cdiddy's Christmas. Now all of a sudden the whole Buckeye world has a problem with the tweeting and the coaching.

I think the writing has been on the wall about coaching for awhile. He recruits well, but those guys haven't performed. Thomas was the only guy he could hang his hat on... but that's all Thomas. It's not as bad as it was when Urban took over, but it's also the weakest link on the offense - probably team.
The tweeting is whatever afaic. People will take a new spin on it in light of the DV stuff.

In any case, I'm still not siding with cdiddy. Either spill beans or don't spill beans. Don't hint at shit for years... or pull nonsense like "you can't handle the truth" This isn't PSU, nobody is going to rally around a shitbag... and plenty criticism of Urban inbound too.

I don’t see this being resolved quickly.

It’s incredibly difficult to fire anybody anymore especially in the public sector.
It’s a process that takes time, I don’t know if it’s started.

I’d guess we will see him be reassigned and/or seeking help.

Especially if he claims he has an alcohol issue or is transitioning into a woman.
You can’t just fire him.
I wouldn’t think Zach goes quietly.

Multiple issues going back 10 years screams "for cause" to me.
But the twitter stuff could get saucy... not sure what good telling him to interview elsewhere does either; he's unemployable at this point.
Maybe he can go to Italy with Art Briles.

Obviously, you have to feel terrible for Smith’s child. Anyone questioning the credibility of his ex-wife on these matters needs to consider this: She has absolutely nothing to gain by Smith getting fired. She loses in this as well. I’m sure that’s a big reason why she didn’t push the issue harder, sooner. It’s typical of victims of domestic violence to protect their abuser from the legal system for financial reasons. Perhaps she finally had enough and decided the financial consequences were preferable to doing nothing.

Yeap. This seemed most obvious with the Ray Rice situation to me.

Yea in the NCAA's eyes trading personal items for tattoos is worse than domestic violence

It's worse than raping children for decades... so... =/

Imo fuck the public... you can't run around firing people for other people's actions.

As you said neither past incidence had a charge and this one does... now he's fired.

Where UFM errored is even having Zach on the squad to begin with. However up until now Zach legally hadn't done anything wrong.

Legally hadn't done anything wrong? Or legally hadn't been held accountable?
Not to try him before the judge and jury... but there's a big difference between those two. And it starts to sound a bit PSU excuse making.

With no charges tho?

How would any of you like to be fired for an offense where charges were dropped?

First charge he got he was fired.

That's fairly common, actually. This discussion was had about Jameis issue and FSU deliberations. In terms of standards for evidence: Criminal > Civil > Work/University/Association/etc.
It has a specific legal term that I can never remember =/

Why are people acting like there is no charges? I'm pretty sure he still has an active tresspassing charge. Unless I'm missing something

We're talking about years before now... ie he shouldn't have been hired in the first place, or he should have been fired in 2015... nobody is disputing his being fired for cause presently.

There's only one huge glaring omission...

With one there was first hand testimony that was ignored.

Urban had dropped charges.

That's a fair point. And I guess I beat this dead horse in the PSU thread but it says everything to me that he walked into that room knowing JoePa was going to cut him loose as a Grad assistant. Paterno and McQueary both testified to that fact. And he walks out of that office with a permanent job as a position coach... they bought his silence for 10 years.
Nor was McQ the first incident. Paterno knew exactly what was going on, actively covered it up, and enabled it to continue... for decades... giving Sandusky unfettered access to facilities long after he stopped being a coach.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Ever have a friend you knew was an Asshole but he never got into actual trouble? Exactly the same scenario.

Btw how do we know his ex didn't vouch for Zach to UFM????? We dont.

Huge difference between somebody being an asshole and somebody you employ being investigated by the cops multiple times over a several year span for domestic violence.

It simply isn't something a person in a leadership position can shrug his shoulders over and say "what can I do?"

If we are going to play hypotheticals, what if you knew it was happening and Smith fucked around and killed her after the second or third time?

It’s apples and oranges. Sandusky used his position to abuse children and in his place of employment. By failing to report, JoePa allowed Sandusky continued access to more victims. Zach Smith’s situation was not employment-related and the conduct occurred in his home.

That is not to say I’m not disappointed in Urban Meyer. This is 25x worse than his decision to hire Tim Beck. I think it requires a university background check on each employee within the football program. If Urban doesn’t like the university looking over his shoulder, he can walk.

But it’s not nearly on the same level as what happened at Penn State and I certainly stop short of calling for Urban’s job.

I don't think it's on par with Sandusky (few things could be) but I would argue that Smith was in a position to teach and influence young men at your place of work (ostensibly his primary job) and therefore significant character concerns acted out at home do indeed have an impact inside the halls of the WHAC.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

I’m confused, Urban lied about Smith? He obviously hired a guy with a checkered past. I’m okay giving a person a second chance. The 2015 Report is really troubling.

Where I struggle here is the vetting that occurred with other coaches on the staff prior to hiring and wondering if that same vetting occurred with Smith.

Thankfully, never being close to such a situation, I’ll fall on my noob sword... but could 2009 or 2015 have happened without an employer being made aware?

If charges aren’t filed, you’d have to proactively search for public records like that in order to find them, no?

Serious questions. I really don’t know.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Thankfully, never being close to such a situation, I’ll fall on my noob sword... but could 2009 or 2015 have happened without an employer being made aware?

If charges aren’t filed, you’d have to proactively search for public records like that in order to find them, no?

Serious questions. I really don’t know.

Do you think the head football coach at a school like PSU/OSU etc don't know if cops are called on their players or assistant coaches?

I personally find that incredibly hard to believe.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Do you think the head football coach at a school like PSU/OSU etc don't know if cops are called on their players or assistant coaches?

I personally find that incredibly hard to believe.

I get that. I’m sure that there are all kinds of communication lines where stuff like this gets filtered up. I’m frankly, trying to make sense of it all.

And FOIA request for Urban’s email in 3...2...1...

 

[Jaxbuck]

I get that. I’m sure that there are all kinds of communication lines where stuff like this gets filtered up. I’m frankly, trying to make sense of it all.

And FOIA request for Urban’s email in 3...2...1...

oh god, don't even

 

[sparcboxbuck]

oh god, don't even

Fuuuuu. You know it’s coming.

 

[bukIpower]

Huge difference between somebody being an asshole and somebody you employ being investigated by the cops multiple times over a several year span for domestic violence.

It simply isn't something a person in a leadership position can shrug his shoulders over and say "what can I do?"

If we are going to play hypotheticals, what if you knew it was happening and Smith fucked around and killed her after the second or third time?



I don't think it's on par with Sandusky (few things could be) but I would argue that Smith was in a position to teach and influence young men at your place of work (ostensibly his primary job) and therefore significant character concerns acted out at home do indeed have an impact inside the halls of the WHAC.

UFM isn't the law and there's nothing he could've done to prevent the abuse.

He should've never hired him but nothing UFM did was illegal.

This isn't anywhere close like enabling a child rapist. No where close

 

[OH10]

I get that. I’m sure that there are all kinds of communication lines where stuff like this gets filtered up. I’m frankly, trying to make sense of it all.

And FOIA request for Urban’s email in 3...2...1...

I’d like to think Urban doesn’t use email.

I don't think it's on par with Sandusky (few things could be) but I would argue that Smith was in a position to teach and influence young men at your place of work (ostensibly his primary job) and therefore significant character concerns acted out at home do indeed have an impact inside the halls of the WHAC.

I don’t disagree. Urban done f’d up. But let’s not bring Sandusky into it. That’s like anytime someone brings up Hitler in a political discussion.

Here’s my question to you: Should Urban be fired? I think that’s an overreaction.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I’d like to think Urban doesn’t use email.



I don’t disagree. Urban done f’d up. But let’s not bring Sandusky into it. That’s like anytime someone brings up Hitler in a political discussion.

Here’s my question to you: Should Urban be fired? I think that’s an overreaction.

If the job were actually and educator and leader of young men then I'd consider it. If the principal of an elementary school kept a teacher on in similar circumstances then it would be an option on the table I would think.

As Max reminded us all though, the job is to beat tsun and compete for championships so as long as he's delivering on those then keep him and let everybody have their own personal views of the man separate from the role of head football coach.

 

[Oh8ch]

Do you think the head football coach at a school like PSU/OSU etc don't know if cops are called on their players or assistant coaches?

I personally find that incredibly hard to believe.

I don't.

It is not clear to me - and I may be missing something - that the 2015 incident was reported in the press. Police come to my house and a report gets filed. But unless somebody is scanning police records that doesn't get in the papers and it doesn't get to my boss. OSU may be monitoring the players, but doubt seriously if they are monitoring police reports for coaches on an ongoing basis. It is the press that gets this stuff out there and Smith is a name easily missed among the numerous domestic abuse reports that are filed daily.

I was deputy director of an organization of 300 people and can recall only one instance where I became aware of charges being filed against one of my people. Among 300 folks I know there were DUIs, there were drugs, there was likely some domestic abuse. The reason I knew about the one instance was because the employee didn't show up for work.

That said, if Urban did know I am fine with whatever this may cost him.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Here’s my question to you: Should Urban be fired? I think that’s an overreaction.

No. You can argue for it, but I'd be surprised no matter what coach we were talking about. Unless that coach has had a line of these incidents at his place of tenure.

There have have some issues while Meyer's been here, but not that many more than with JT, who I liked a lot more. This is obviously a wake up call, though, and can't be reoccurring.

 

[OH10]

I don't.

It is not clear to me - and I may be missing something - that the 2015 incident was reported in the press. Police come to my house and a report gets filed. But unless somebody is scanning police records that doesn't get in the papers and it doesn't get to my boss. OSU may be monitoring the players, but doubt seriously if they are monitoring police reports for coaches on an ongoing basis. It is the press that gets this stuff out there and Smith is a name easily missed among the numerous domestic abuse reports that are filed daily.

I was deputy director of an organization of 300 people and can recall only one instance where I became aware of charges being filed against one of my people. Among 300 folks I know there were DUIs, there were drugs, there was likely some domestic abuse. The reason I knew about the one instance was because the employee didn't show up for work.

That said, if Urban did know I am fine with whatever this may cost him.

Urban definitely knew. Jason at 11W said they’ve known about the 2015 and 2009 incidents for a while but didn’t run with them because no charges. If they knew, Urban knew. I don’t think it rises to the level of a fireable offense. It forever impacts my opinion of Urban as a person. But then again, I never thought he was good person. I did think that of Jim Tressel - and still do.