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Looks like WR is going to be a free for all, which is certainly a good thing after this past years shortcomings. Hopefully a few step up, I trust Wilson will put the players deemed the best in the proper positions to succeed.
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ScriptOhio
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How Will Ohio State Replace...Curtis Samuel
K.J. Hill will be one to watch this spring for the Buckeyes.
How do you replace somebody who has done something that nobody else in Ohio State history has done? Well, you probably don't do it with just one person.
Curtis Samuel leaves Ohio State as the only player in school history with at least 1,000 yards rushing and receiving in a career. He rushed 97 times for 771 yards and eight touchdowns this past season, and led the Buckeyes with 74 receptions for 865 yards and seven touchdowns. The 74 receptions were the second-most in school history.
Samuel was named a First-Team All-American and finally gave Urban Meyer the complete hybrid back/receiver that he had been longing for since he got to Ohio State. Unfortunately for the head coach, he only got to see Samuel as a starter for one season.
Now that the path has been laid out, however, perhaps more players will be able to follow Samuel's example.
The Candidates
Who are the candidates? Rising sophomore K.J. Hill was Samuel's primary backup, along with the departing Dontre Wilson. Hill finished fifth on the team with 18 receptions for 262 yards and a touchdown. While he did not carry the football like Samuel and Wilson, that doesn't mean he won't be heavily used in 2017. What the H-back does is dependent upon what he is capable of doing. Philly Brown didn't carry the ball much, but that didn't stop him from leading the Buckeyes in receptions in 2012 and 2013.
Rising sophomore Demario McCall is definitely another player to watch. He played running back this past season, but it has always been assumed that he would eventually end up in the slot. At 5-foot-9 and 182 pounds, Urban Meyer wants McCall to bulk up, and he definitely will during the offseason. As a true freshman in 2016 he rushed for 270 yards on 49 carries (three touchdowns) and caught four passes for 84 yards and a touchdown. He averaged 6.7 yards every time he touched the ball. Can he catch the ball like a receiver? Spring will reveal a lot.
Rising junior safety Eric Glover-Williams was moved to receiver this week and my guess is we'll see him in the slot, and given his high school career as a running back and option quarterback, he could also be a guy who gets involved in the running game a bit.
Rising juniors Parris Campbell and Terry McLaurin could also find time at H-back, and both have some experience there already. Both are explosive athletes, and perhaps being closer to the football would help them to find a way to contribute more in the box score.
The decommitment of Tyjon Lindsey hinders this position somewhat -- assuming he doesn't recommit at some point -- but there could be another player to watch here in the 2017 recruiting class. Incoming freshman running back J.K. Dobbins is already enrolled, and while I see his future at Ohio State as a running back, he will be able to help in the slot if asked.
Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Football/2016/News/How-Will-Ohio-State-ReplaceCurtis-Samuel
I'm thinking that Brendon White might be in the mix too.
K.J. Hill will be one to watch this spring for the Buckeyes.
How do you replace somebody who has done something that nobody else in Ohio State history has done? Well, you probably don't do it with just one person.
Curtis Samuel leaves Ohio State as the only player in school history with at least 1,000 yards rushing and receiving in a career. He rushed 97 times for 771 yards and eight touchdowns this past season, and led the Buckeyes with 74 receptions for 865 yards and seven touchdowns. The 74 receptions were the second-most in school history.
Samuel was named a First-Team All-American and finally gave Urban Meyer the complete hybrid back/receiver that he had been longing for since he got to Ohio State. Unfortunately for the head coach, he only got to see Samuel as a starter for one season.
Now that the path has been laid out, however, perhaps more players will be able to follow Samuel's example.
The Candidates
Who are the candidates? Rising sophomore K.J. Hill was Samuel's primary backup, along with the departing Dontre Wilson. Hill finished fifth on the team with 18 receptions for 262 yards and a touchdown. While he did not carry the football like Samuel and Wilson, that doesn't mean he won't be heavily used in 2017. What the H-back does is dependent upon what he is capable of doing. Philly Brown didn't carry the ball much, but that didn't stop him from leading the Buckeyes in receptions in 2012 and 2013.
Rising sophomore Demario McCall is definitely another player to watch. He played running back this past season, but it has always been assumed that he would eventually end up in the slot. At 5-foot-9 and 182 pounds, Urban Meyer wants McCall to bulk up, and he definitely will during the offseason. As a true freshman in 2016 he rushed for 270 yards on 49 carries (three touchdowns) and caught four passes for 84 yards and a touchdown. He averaged 6.7 yards every time he touched the ball. Can he catch the ball like a receiver? Spring will reveal a lot.
Rising junior safety Eric Glover-Williams was moved to receiver this week and my guess is we'll see him in the slot, and given his high school career as a running back and option quarterback, he could also be a guy who gets involved in the running game a bit.
Rising juniors Parris Campbell and Terry McLaurin could also find time at H-back, and both have some experience there already. Both are explosive athletes, and perhaps being closer to the football would help them to find a way to contribute more in the box score.
The decommitment of Tyjon Lindsey hinders this position somewhat -- assuming he doesn't recommit at some point -- but there could be another player to watch here in the 2017 recruiting class. Incoming freshman running back J.K. Dobbins is already enrolled, and while I see his future at Ohio State as a running back, he will be able to help in the slot if asked.
Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Football/2016/News/How-Will-Ohio-State-ReplaceCurtis-Samuel
I'm thinking that Brendon White might be in the mix too.
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HorseshoeFetish
Silver Bullet Supporter
We did it all year. Spread em out just to run it at the most congested area on the field. Constantly running towards the short side of the field. Hoping for plays that take what we want, not just what the defense gives.Never want to hear "They did some things we weren't ready for" again.
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The more I think about it, this was probably because Beck was an outside zone guy. Warinner might be also, since it was the base run at Kansas. Closer receiver splits make that play a little easier to block and get the defenders on skates. It worked well at Nebraska, but Beck also had a QB there who was a home run threat on the zone read. There was a definite shift away from inside zone/power/counter over the last two years, much to the chagrin of everyone expecting to see the National Championship playbook.
The staff cleaning gets everyone more aligned towards one vision. Urban is an inside zone/power guy, as is Wilson. Day did run a pro style offense at BC, but they were still an inside running team.
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bassplayer7770
All-American
I put together the Offensive stats of the biggest games from 2016 for both Ohio State (left) and Indiana (right). Clearly, Indiana didn't have the stout running game or the same talent level, but it's also clear their passing game was more effective on average. I really look forward to adding an effective passing game to an already stout running game. I can only imagine what opposing Defenses will do when they realize there are Offensive threats all over the field being used effectively.
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Interesting article, but I disagree with a number of things that the author stated. For one, I never saw the HB position as pure WR position, or a pure RB position. The author made it seem as if the HB is equal to the slot WR. Yes, and no. The HB can work in the slot, but a few of the guys he mentioned(KJ Hill mainly) I see as pure slot WRs, or a WR. I don't see hybrid from Hill, I see him working in the slot and solely catching the ball. When I think of the next crop of HBs to follow Samuel, McCall and EGW come to mind, and I'd also mention Campbell, but only because up until this point, he hasn't shown an ability to consistently catch the ball(so maybe he can have some effectiveness running with it). McCall and EGW(I can only go by what has been said about him during bowl practices ad repeatedly watching his HS film, and drooling) are 2 guys that be effective in space, handle the ball on handoffs, screens, wheel routes, and just be able to cause all sorts of mismatches, while still able to lineup a true RB and 3 WRs. I think Dobbins is at the other spectrum, as he's all RB to me. A change of pace guy that can be a homerun threat or still beat down an offense. But I'd like to see him in a tandem with say Williams or even Ellison(2017 recruit) so as to lessen the hits. I'd compare Dobbins to Zeke if anyone from OSU's past, but if you take OSU out of the spectrum, I liken Dobbins most to Miami Hurricanes RB, Joe Yearby. Both smaller sized RBs, but could still run off tackle, up the middle, catch the ball, and just offer a great complement in the offense. McLaurin and is a guy I see on the outside or inside, but mainly at WRHow Will Ohio State Replace...Curtis Samuel
K.J. Hill will be one to watch this spring for the Buckeyes.
How do you replace somebody who has done something that nobody else in Ohio State history has done? Well, you probably don't do it with just one person.
Curtis Samuel leaves Ohio State as the only player in school history with at least 1,000 yards rushing and receiving in a career. He rushed 97 times for 771 yards and eight touchdowns this past season, and led the Buckeyes with 74 receptions for 865 yards and seven touchdowns. The 74 receptions were the second-most in school history.
Samuel was named a First-Team All-American and finally gave Urban Meyer the complete hybrid back/receiver that he had been longing for since he got to Ohio State. Unfortunately for the head coach, he only got to see Samuel as a starter for one season.
Now that the path has been laid out, however, perhaps more players will be able to follow Samuel's example.
The Candidates
Who are the candidates? Rising sophomore K.J. Hill was Samuel's primary backup, along with the departing Dontre Wilson. Hill finished fifth on the team with 18 receptions for 262 yards and a touchdown. While he did not carry the football like Samuel and Wilson, that doesn't mean he won't be heavily used in 2017. What the H-back does is dependent upon what he is capable of doing. Philly Brown didn't carry the ball much, but that didn't stop him from leading the Buckeyes in receptions in 2012 and 2013.
Rising sophomore Demario McCall is definitely another player to watch. He played running back this past season, but it has always been assumed that he would eventually end up in the slot. At 5-foot-9 and 182 pounds, Urban Meyer wants McCall to bulk up, and he definitely will during the offseason. As a true freshman in 2016 he rushed for 270 yards on 49 carries (three touchdowns) and caught four passes for 84 yards and a touchdown. He averaged 6.7 yards every time he touched the ball. Can he catch the ball like a receiver? Spring will reveal a lot.
Rising junior safety Eric Glover-Williams was moved to receiver this week and my guess is we'll see him in the slot, and given his high school career as a running back and option quarterback, he could also be a guy who gets involved in the running game a bit.
Rising juniors Parris Campbell and Terry McLaurin could also find time at H-back, and both have some experience there already. Both are explosive athletes, and perhaps being closer to the football would help them to find a way to contribute more in the box score.
The decommitment of Tyjon Lindsey hinders this position somewhat -- assuming he doesn't recommit at some point -- but there could be another player to watch here in the 2017 recruiting class. Incoming freshman running back J.K. Dobbins is already enrolled, and while I see his future at Ohio State as a running back, he will be able to help in the slot if asked.
Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Football/2016/News/How-Will-Ohio-State-ReplaceCurtis-Samuel
I'm thinking that Brendon White might be in the mix too.
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I have high hopes for McCall.
I know he really only played in garbage time, but damn did he look explosive in that time.
I know he really only played in garbage time, but damn did he look explosive in that time.
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billmac91
Head Coach
Have no idea if OSU has interest but some team will get a helluva downfield threat in Jeff Badet who is transferring from UK using Grad transfer rules. He averaged over 20 yards a reception last year....
Would make a lot of sense given how green that unit is going to be and I'd have to think OSU would be high on wish list if the Buckeyes were in a position to take him. Gehrig Dieter had a very nice year for Alabama after transferring from Bowling Green last year.
Would make a lot of sense given how green that unit is going to be and I'd have to think OSU would be high on wish list if the Buckeyes were in a position to take him. Gehrig Dieter had a very nice year for Alabama after transferring from Bowling Green last year.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
How Will Ohio State Replace...Noah Brown
The 2017 Buckeyes lost their top outside receiver threat recently when Noah Brown decided to forego his final two years of eligibility and enter the 2017 NFL Draft. Brown finished 2016 with 32 receptions for 402 yards and seven touchdowns.
Despite the early entry, it wasn't exactly the season that most had expected from Brown, who had been earning comparisons to former Buckeye Michael Thomas for more than a year. Following a four-touchdown performance against Oklahoma in the third week of the season, Brown would only reach the end zone twice more all season. Also, nine of his 32 receptions came in the first three games of 2016, and he managed just 23 receptions over the final 10 contests.
The production should be replaced well enough, but first the Buckeyes need to figure out who is able to be relied upon.
The Candidates
Noah Brown played the 'X' receiver position, which is the same position Michael Thomas excelled at in the past. It is basically OSU's go-to receiver position out wide and requires somebody who can pick up tough yards and move the chains. Rising redshirt junior Parris Campbell (6-1 208) split reps there with Brown in camp, but the lack of consistency and production has been an issue. Campbell managed just 13 receptions last season despite starting nine times and playing plenty each week.
Binjimen Victor (6-4 185) and Austin Mack (6-2 215) are a pair of rising sophomores who will need to be watched this coming season. Mack had a pretty good spring last year, at least for a while. He showed a ton of promise and got some playing time in 2016, but wasn't able to put it all together. Victor, meanwhile, had some good moments later in the season. Both have the size to play the 'X', and the experience they received as true freshmen needs to pay off this spring.
Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Football/2016/News/How-Will-Ohio-State-ReplaceNoah-Brown
The 2017 Buckeyes lost their top outside receiver threat recently when Noah Brown decided to forego his final two years of eligibility and enter the 2017 NFL Draft. Brown finished 2016 with 32 receptions for 402 yards and seven touchdowns.
Despite the early entry, it wasn't exactly the season that most had expected from Brown, who had been earning comparisons to former Buckeye Michael Thomas for more than a year. Following a four-touchdown performance against Oklahoma in the third week of the season, Brown would only reach the end zone twice more all season. Also, nine of his 32 receptions came in the first three games of 2016, and he managed just 23 receptions over the final 10 contests.
The production should be replaced well enough, but first the Buckeyes need to figure out who is able to be relied upon.
The Candidates
Noah Brown played the 'X' receiver position, which is the same position Michael Thomas excelled at in the past. It is basically OSU's go-to receiver position out wide and requires somebody who can pick up tough yards and move the chains. Rising redshirt junior Parris Campbell (6-1 208) split reps there with Brown in camp, but the lack of consistency and production has been an issue. Campbell managed just 13 receptions last season despite starting nine times and playing plenty each week.
Binjimen Victor (6-4 185) and Austin Mack (6-2 215) are a pair of rising sophomores who will need to be watched this coming season. Mack had a pretty good spring last year, at least for a while. He showed a ton of promise and got some playing time in 2016, but wasn't able to put it all together. Victor, meanwhile, had some good moments later in the season. Both have the size to play the 'X', and the experience they received as true freshmen needs to pay off this spring.
Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Football/2016/News/How-Will-Ohio-State-ReplaceNoah-Brown
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zincfinger
Gert Frobe-approved
I think they can be part of an effective package against a fast defensive team. Wisconsin used them to good effect against OSU this past year.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Good catch, at least now I know somebody is actually reading (or at least noticing) my posts.
I'll copy it over to his thread and replace it with another story; and maybe nobody else will notice.....
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Projecting Ohio State's 2017 Post-NFL Departure Depth Chart - Offense
The Buckeyes will be replacing just three starters on offense in 2017 in H-back Curtis Samuel, wide receiver Noah Brown, and center Pat Elflein. When you combine eight returning starters with former Indiana head coach Kevin Wilson as offensive coordinator, things would seem to be looking up on the offensive side of the ball for the Buckeyes.
Now that we know who is leaving and who will be in Columbus for spring ball, we can venture a guess at what the depth chart will look like on offense for the Buckeyes.
Quarterback
16 J.T. Barrett, rSr (6-2 222)
10 Joe Burrow, rSo (6-3 218) OR
7 Dwayne Haskins, rFr (6-3 220)
Tate Martell, Fr (5-11 205)
The fight to be J.T. Barrett's backup will be the most interesting position battle to watch this spring.
Running Back
25 Mike Weber, rSo (5-10 212)
26 Antonio Williams, Soph (5-11 210)
J.K. Dobbins, Fr (5-10 201)
The Buckeyes need both Antonio Williams and J.K. Dobbins to emerge as legitimate ball-carrying options. Dobbins will be coming off of a serious ankle injury. I'm waiting on confirmation from OSU that Williams will actually get a medical redshirt for last season, so for now he's a rising sophomore.
H-Back
30 Demario McCall, Soph (5-9 182) OR
14 K.J. Hill, rSo (6-0 200) OR
21 Parris Campbell, rJr (6-1 208) OR
19 Eric Glover-Williams, Jr (5-9 178)
There is a lot of projecting here, specifically the addition of Parris Campbell, who may be more suited for this role than one outside. There is also question of how this position will evolve under Kevin Wilson.
Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...s-2017-Post-NFL-Departure-Depth-Chart-Offense
The Buckeyes will be replacing just three starters on offense in 2017 in H-back Curtis Samuel, wide receiver Noah Brown, and center Pat Elflein. When you combine eight returning starters with former Indiana head coach Kevin Wilson as offensive coordinator, things would seem to be looking up on the offensive side of the ball for the Buckeyes.
Now that we know who is leaving and who will be in Columbus for spring ball, we can venture a guess at what the depth chart will look like on offense for the Buckeyes.
Quarterback
16 J.T. Barrett, rSr (6-2 222)
10 Joe Burrow, rSo (6-3 218) OR
7 Dwayne Haskins, rFr (6-3 220)
Tate Martell, Fr (5-11 205)
The fight to be J.T. Barrett's backup will be the most interesting position battle to watch this spring.
Running Back
25 Mike Weber, rSo (5-10 212)
26 Antonio Williams, Soph (5-11 210)
J.K. Dobbins, Fr (5-10 201)
The Buckeyes need both Antonio Williams and J.K. Dobbins to emerge as legitimate ball-carrying options. Dobbins will be coming off of a serious ankle injury. I'm waiting on confirmation from OSU that Williams will actually get a medical redshirt for last season, so for now he's a rising sophomore.
H-Back
30 Demario McCall, Soph (5-9 182) OR
14 K.J. Hill, rSo (6-0 200) OR
21 Parris Campbell, rJr (6-1 208) OR
19 Eric Glover-Williams, Jr (5-9 178)
There is a lot of projecting here, specifically the addition of Parris Campbell, who may be more suited for this role than one outside. There is also question of how this position will evolve under Kevin Wilson.
Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...s-2017-Post-NFL-Departure-Depth-Chart-Offense
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
EXPECT OHIO STATE'S BACKUP QUARTERBACK SPOT TO BE MORE CONTESTED THAN EVER IN 2017
Barring injury, J.T. Barrett will start at quarterback for Ohio State in 2017. Let's get that out of the way first.
Yes, his regression the last two seasons is tangible, especially if you look at it from a statistical standpoint though the absence of a dominant receiver didn't help things. But Barrett is already one of the most accomplished quarterbacks in Ohio State history and when it is all said and done, could own essentially every passing record. He is 26-4 as a starter, won a share of the Silver Football last season as Big Ten Most Valuable Player and also took home the Big Ten Quarterback of the Year award.
So yeah, he is going to start.
Urban Meyer loves to use the phrase "beat somebody out" with regards to his football team, regardless the position. And while Joe Burrow, Dwayne Haskins, Stephen Collier — who's future with the program remains unclear after an injury last season — plus incoming freshman Tate Martell are all terrific players, even if Ohio State holds an open competition at quarterback, the chances are infinitesimal anybody but Barrett would win.
OK, now that we have that established, let's get something else out of the way: One thing Barrett did last season was extremely unusual. He stayed healthy and started all 13 games during the 2016 season, a rarity for a quarterback in Meyer's system. Whether or not that happens again obviously won't be decided until the season starts.
Like any program, the backup quarterback spot at Ohio State is extremely important. Burrow held down the fort for the entirety of the season while Haskins redshirted. The latter drew rave reviews during Fiesta Bowl practice, acting as Clemson quarterback and Heisman Trophy runner-up Deshaun Watson on the scout team. And Martell is going to come in and compete because that is all he knows how to do.
So who is the next man up as the No. 2 quarterback on the depth chart for the Buckeyes in 2016? Let's dissect the options.
JOE BURROW, REDSHIRT SOPHOMORE
In garbage time, Burrow shined for the Buckeyes in 2016. He only played in a handful of games but completed 22-of-28 passes for 226 yards and a pair of touchdowns. That is good for a quarterback rating of 169.9.
“Joe Burrow has been coming on. He was a guy that last year I had my concerns last season, just arm strength to release, twitch, ability to run the ball, because you have to do that,” Meyer said last April after Burrow threw for nearly 200 yards and led the Gray team to a 28-17 victory. “He's gotten better and better. He's a grinder.”
Burrow is known for his accuracy, which he showed in spot duty last season. He threw touchdown passes in blowouts against Bowling Green and at Maryland. Burrow's grasp of the offense has noticeably increased, though like Barrett and the others in Ohio State's quarterbacks room, must undergo a transition with Tim Beck heading to Texas and Ryan Day stepping in to replace him as quarterbacks coach.
Burrow took advantage of being a year ahead of Haskins to serve as Barrett's backup for the duration of the 2016 season. He should be the favorite to do it again this fall for the same reason, but Haskins is by no means going to let him have it.
Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...k-spot-to-be-more-contested-than-ever-in-2017
Re: It just feels like Collier is destined for a graduate assistant role at Ohio State.
If you read the entire article you will see that 11W thinks Stephen Collier is out of the mix, etc.
Barring injury, J.T. Barrett will start at quarterback for Ohio State in 2017. Let's get that out of the way first.
Yes, his regression the last two seasons is tangible, especially if you look at it from a statistical standpoint though the absence of a dominant receiver didn't help things. But Barrett is already one of the most accomplished quarterbacks in Ohio State history and when it is all said and done, could own essentially every passing record. He is 26-4 as a starter, won a share of the Silver Football last season as Big Ten Most Valuable Player and also took home the Big Ten Quarterback of the Year award.
So yeah, he is going to start.
Urban Meyer loves to use the phrase "beat somebody out" with regards to his football team, regardless the position. And while Joe Burrow, Dwayne Haskins, Stephen Collier — who's future with the program remains unclear after an injury last season — plus incoming freshman Tate Martell are all terrific players, even if Ohio State holds an open competition at quarterback, the chances are infinitesimal anybody but Barrett would win.
OK, now that we have that established, let's get something else out of the way: One thing Barrett did last season was extremely unusual. He stayed healthy and started all 13 games during the 2016 season, a rarity for a quarterback in Meyer's system. Whether or not that happens again obviously won't be decided until the season starts.
Like any program, the backup quarterback spot at Ohio State is extremely important. Burrow held down the fort for the entirety of the season while Haskins redshirted. The latter drew rave reviews during Fiesta Bowl practice, acting as Clemson quarterback and Heisman Trophy runner-up Deshaun Watson on the scout team. And Martell is going to come in and compete because that is all he knows how to do.
So who is the next man up as the No. 2 quarterback on the depth chart for the Buckeyes in 2016? Let's dissect the options.
JOE BURROW, REDSHIRT SOPHOMORE
In garbage time, Burrow shined for the Buckeyes in 2016. He only played in a handful of games but completed 22-of-28 passes for 226 yards and a pair of touchdowns. That is good for a quarterback rating of 169.9.
“Joe Burrow has been coming on. He was a guy that last year I had my concerns last season, just arm strength to release, twitch, ability to run the ball, because you have to do that,” Meyer said last April after Burrow threw for nearly 200 yards and led the Gray team to a 28-17 victory. “He's gotten better and better. He's a grinder.”
Burrow is known for his accuracy, which he showed in spot duty last season. He threw touchdown passes in blowouts against Bowling Green and at Maryland. Burrow's grasp of the offense has noticeably increased, though like Barrett and the others in Ohio State's quarterbacks room, must undergo a transition with Tim Beck heading to Texas and Ryan Day stepping in to replace him as quarterbacks coach.
Burrow took advantage of being a year ahead of Haskins to serve as Barrett's backup for the duration of the 2016 season. He should be the favorite to do it again this fall for the same reason, but Haskins is by no means going to let him have it.
Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...k-spot-to-be-more-contested-than-ever-in-2017
Re: It just feels like Collier is destined for a graduate assistant role at Ohio State.
If you read the entire article you will see that 11W thinks Stephen Collier is out of the mix, etc.
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