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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
The position group was very weak. Not sure that is even debatable but hey, everyone has an opinion.
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Hstead
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It makes no sense to me. We call the position group weak and 2 guys are projected first three rounders and two others are projected as most likely free agents.
The same was said last year and all three made NFL rosters. It is not an easy thing to do to make an NFL roster. Again, we have two guys that are projected as early rounders. That is not weak by any definition.
The offensive scheme and play calling sucked, the players did not. More guys in that group will wind up getting drafted too I am willing to bet next year.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
But I will just add this since it's Robinson's thread. The class is widely considered to be tight on ships and the staff is still pursuing 4. And they want 12 productive WRs at all times. Interesting point to consider.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
Just circling back on this. Kind of interesting the article posted after our posts earlier.
"#ZONE6 IS COMING OFF A SEASON WHERE NOBODY EMERGED AS A STAR, CONSISTENT THREAT OR EVEN A POTENTIAL MATCHUP PROBLEM"
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...receivers-desperately-need-a-difference-maker
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OregonBuckeye
Semper Fi Buckeyes
Thanks. That would be a surprise to me. I don't expect either to get drafted
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
CON AIR: OHIO STATE'S WIDE RECEIVERS DESPERATELY NEED A DIFFERENCE MAKER
It's 2017 and #Zone6 is a touchy subject.
That unit begins with Zach Smith, the only remaining offensive position coach from Urban Meyer's first Ohio State team in 2012. He also happens to be Earle Bruce's grandson. Zach's boss, who has hiring and firing obligations for the football program openly and affectionately says Zach's grandpa is like a second father to him. Hey, what are you trying to say? Nothing, man. So touchy.
While Meyer may be very close to Earle, he is completely detached from "his" Twitter account, which is run on his behalf. In case you're wondering, the newly-hired Kevin Wilson doesn't do his own tweets either. Larry Johnson has an account, but he mostly just retweets stuff. The football program has a robust social media presence that operates in a manner that allows coaches to focus on other tasks. There is one exception.
Noah Brown was quiet most of the season.
Smith is prolific in social media. He gets Twitter, celebrates #teen lingo and can sprechen sie millenialzie as well as any Thirtysomething Dad. If it makes you cringe, fine - but Smith is currently 247Sports' top-ranked recruiter in part because of his engagement skill. Being braggadocious is the culture of his unit and an important part of who he is.
And in 2017 talking shit on Twitter doesn't disqualify anyone from coaching football players or having nuclear codes. Move on.
But #Zone6 is still a touchy subject, in part because it's difficult to come to a consensus on baseline facts, like does Curtis Samuel count as a wide receiver? The h-back position he occupied is multifaceted. I would argue it's disingenuous for a player who had 97 carries to also be submitted as evidence of unit competence for wide receivers.
Samuel was a difference-maker, on the ground and through the air. And #Zone6 was a comprehensive non-factor in 2016. Yeah, it's a touchy subject.
Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...receivers-desperately-need-a-difference-maker
It's 2017 and #Zone6 is a touchy subject.
That unit begins with Zach Smith, the only remaining offensive position coach from Urban Meyer's first Ohio State team in 2012. He also happens to be Earle Bruce's grandson. Zach's boss, who has hiring and firing obligations for the football program openly and affectionately says Zach's grandpa is like a second father to him. Hey, what are you trying to say? Nothing, man. So touchy.
While Meyer may be very close to Earle, he is completely detached from "his" Twitter account, which is run on his behalf. In case you're wondering, the newly-hired Kevin Wilson doesn't do his own tweets either. Larry Johnson has an account, but he mostly just retweets stuff. The football program has a robust social media presence that operates in a manner that allows coaches to focus on other tasks. There is one exception.
Noah Brown was quiet most of the season.
Smith is prolific in social media. He gets Twitter, celebrates #teen lingo and can sprechen sie millenialzie as well as any Thirtysomething Dad. If it makes you cringe, fine - but Smith is currently 247Sports' top-ranked recruiter in part because of his engagement skill. Being braggadocious is the culture of his unit and an important part of who he is.
And in 2017 talking shit on Twitter doesn't disqualify anyone from coaching football players or having nuclear codes. Move on.
But #Zone6 is still a touchy subject, in part because it's difficult to come to a consensus on baseline facts, like does Curtis Samuel count as a wide receiver? The h-back position he occupied is multifaceted. I would argue it's disingenuous for a player who had 97 carries to also be submitted as evidence of unit competence for wide receivers.
Samuel was a difference-maker, on the ground and through the air. And #Zone6 was a comprehensive non-factor in 2016. Yeah, it's a touchy subject.
Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...receivers-desperately-need-a-difference-maker
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Hstead
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Like I said, last year guys on here were blaming Zone 6 too. And look what they are doing in the Pros. Can't Guard Mike is a PERFECT example. Had shit numbers last year and is now a star. The offensive scheme is to blame, as is the play calling. Jim Leonard summed it up perfectly. The Wisky DBs knew exactly what to expect, practiced for it for 2 weeks, and saw exactly during the game what they expected and practiced for. Lynn Swann and Jerry Rice would look like they had little to no talent in that turd they called an offense last year.
Just like when Whithers was the DC, Roby looked like he couldn't cover a bed with a blanket. Now he is an all Pro. Scheme matters. A lot.
Almost every Mock Draft has Noah ranked in the top 20 receivers and most in the top 15 in the draft, and they have Samuel in the top 10. Many have Corey Smith ranked in the top 40 as well and Wilson in the top 70. So we had 4 WRs that the draft experts have ranked in the top 70. That is not exactly weak. How many other B1G schools have two WRs ranked in the top 20 and 4 in the top 70? How many schools period regardless of conference have that kind of talent?
Granted Corey was injured most of the season and Wilson has never seemed to stay 100% healthy, but the two guys on the field most of the time, Samuel and Noah, are both perceived by the experts as being top 20 talented in the draft. That is not weak. And they both were on the field for the majority of the snaps this year.
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Oh good, you're back to talking up Corey Smith as a draft commodity. His team didn't value him very much. When they did and he received double digit targets in a game, he caught one pass. Valuable special teams guy. Contributed very little as a WR.
Also, the NFL does not draft 40 WRs in a single draft, so that's not a very sterling review, if it were actually a credible place. (Is this the same place that is talking up Parris Campbell's great draft stock?) Being top-70 is especially damning praise.
Also, the NFL does not draft 40 WRs in a single draft, so that's not a very sterling review, if it were actually a credible place. (Is this the same place that is talking up Parris Campbell's great draft stock?) Being top-70 is especially damning praise.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
Put it this way---ask Urban if he felt the WR group was productive last year. Yeah, didn't think so.
Was a bad position group hurt by poor O Line play and really poor scheme and play calling? Absolutely. But the group was still seriously lacking. Look at Clemsons production from their WRs. That's what it takes to win.
Was a bad position group hurt by poor O Line play and really poor scheme and play calling? Absolutely. But the group was still seriously lacking. Look at Clemsons production from their WRs. That's what it takes to win.
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