Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

[Cicero]

The first is an opinion, and here's some evidence that Texas is far from underachieving:

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=144428#post144428


Not to defend the show, but as I say in that thread:

Change the name to John Cooper and Ohio State and you can get a good idea of the situation at Texas. Loads of talent, poor game management. When Cooper was here it was usually either blow someone out or blow a close game by throwing four straight incomplete passes into the endzone from the 20 yard line with over two minutes still on the clock.
Thankfully Tressel has this team over rather than under achieving.

 

[scarletngrey11]

since tressel scheduled the game, obviously hes very comfortable and confident in his team and his coaching staff, thats a huge difference from mack brown.

 

[osugrad21]

Since you guys had the statistical anomaly that was John Cooper, I think you tend to overemphasize the idea of "bad big game coach." The players play the game.

If that were true, tOSU should have had legitimate NCs in multiple years in the 90s. Players are a product of their coaching...FSU has done nothing since the staff has been cleared, PSU has gone downhill, Florida under Zook was not Florida, and tOSU under Coop certainly did not appreciate the big game mentailty.

Mile, you are a great poster, but I think you are missing the boat on this one.

 

[Trslfan]

Are we going to have televisions with antennas so we can watch Charlie Weis dismantle Carr's shoddy defense? If not, I may leave for a few hours to watch that. I usually pull for UM to win games for the sake of the big ten and keeping up their ranking until we beat them... but I'm pulling for the domers in this one.

Ya J I will have a nice antenna to watch the scum game.

 

[removeher]

I'd show up but more than likely I'd get ridiculed.

 

[thackattack]

since tressel scheduled the game, obviously hes very comfortable and confident in his team and his coaching staff, thats a huge difference from mack brown.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this series was scheduled in the mid-90's...usually these big-team series get scheduled years in advance, so I'm not exactly sure that Tressel had anything to do with this. He is more confident than Mack though, I can assure you of that.

 

[scarletngrey11]

your right my bad, brain fart, what i meant is that tressel is still scheduling big games himself, so i wouldnt be surprised if he wouldve scheduled this one had the oppurtunity come up if he coached during the 90s. hes already scheduled some huge games in the coming years.

 

[Matt8200]

"I've played against guys who are better than them," Griffin said

Top wide reciever prospects:

1. Santonio Holmes, Ohio State (Jr.) – In the Ohio State offense, Holmes’ full potential is somewhat muted, however, NFL scouts don’t need to see 75 catches and 1,000 yards to know he’s one of the most dynamic playmakers in the game. His calling cards are rare levels of speed and quickness. Holmes has been clocked in the 4.3 vicinity, and makes the kind of sharp cuts and shifty moves that leave defenders helpless. He’s the total package athletically, and he continues to hone his pass-receiving skills. NFL teams looking for a Keyshawn-sized receiver, who can make blocks downfield might shy away from the 5-10, 180-pound Holmes. NFL teams looking for a game-breaker, who can electrify a crowd will scoop him up early in either the 2006 or 2007 draft.
2004 Numbers – 55 catches for 769 yards and 7 TDs
Shades of…Santana Moss



3. Ted Ginn, Jr., Ohio State (Soph.) – If Ginn was a running back, he’d be Reggie Bush. A quarterback, Michael Vick. And if he ever returns to defense, comparisons to Deion will be rampant. He’s one of those special athletes that can change the momentum of a game in an instant, and make defenses adjust every time he goes in motion. Ginn is an extremely fluid athlete with great moves and world class speed. As a true freshman, he routinely knifed through defenses and special teams units that appeared to be operating at a different speed. Ginn plays at about 170 pounds, but that should increase naturally as he matures and spends more time in the weight room.
2004 Numbers – 25 catches for 359 yards and 2 TDs – 13 rushes for 113 yards and 2 TDs – 15 punt returns for 384 yards and 4 TDs
Shades of…Rocket Ismail

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005/Preview/NextBigThing_WR.htm

 

[casey_buckeye]

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

That's actually pretty damn funny !!:tongue2:

I'm glad somebody thought so....I was feeling dejected.

 

['98 Horn]

WRs

ROY WILLIAM (DETROIT LIONS)
PRO: Williams’ size, speed and strength were an asset to the Lions during his rookie campaign after the team selected him with one of their first round selections, seventh overall, in the 2004 draft. A highly regarded prospect coming out of college at Texas, Williams set several Lions rookie records, including receptions (54), yards (817), and touchdowns (8) in his inaugural season. A winner of numerous accolades during his rookie season, including NFC Rookie of the Month for September, Williams also recorded multiple two-touchdown performances. In his second year as a professional, Williams brings valuable experience and playmaking ability to the deep Lions wide receiving corps. </SPAN>

2004:
• By leading the Lions in rushing yards and receptions, Williams and Kevin Jones became the first rookies to lead the team in those two categories since Mel Farr accomplished the feat individually in 1967.
• Named NFC Rookie of the Month for September after recording 17 receptions for 277 yards and four touchdowns through his first three games.
• Led all receivers with four catches for 69 yards, including an amazing 27-yard, one-handed juggling reception in the season-opener at Chicago (9/12). The play was selected by fans as the Play-of-the-Week on ESPN.com.
• Named the Pepsi Rookie of the Week after he scored his first two career touchdowns on four catches for 73 yards vs. Houston (9/19). His second touchdown on the day, a 14-yarder, garnered him the Levitra Play of the Week award for Week 2.
• Scored two touchdowns on nine receptions for 135 yards, including four passes for 63 yards on the Lions first scoring drive, becoming the first rookie Lion to have a 100-yard receiving game since Larry Foster in 2000 and the first Lion since David Hill (1976) to score multiple touchdowns in two games during his rookie year.
• Caught three passes at Atlanta (10/10) before sustaining an ankle injury in the third quarter.
• Broke the Lions rookie receiving record in yards and touchdowns with 104 yards and two touchdowns vs. Minnesota (12/19).
• Caught a 26-yard pass at the one-yard line to set up a touchdown vs. Chicago (12/26). </SPAN>
<TABLE borderColor=#c0c0c0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=footer colSpan=2>Williams' Single-Game Bests</TD></TR><TR><TD class=altRow2 width="48%">

Receptions​

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9 vs. Phi 9/26/04​

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Receiving Yards​

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135 vs. Phi 9/26/04​

</TD></TR><TR><TD class=altRow2 width="48%">Long Reception</TD><TD class=altRow2 width="52%">37 @ NYG 10/24/04</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>2003:
• All-American Dream Team second-team selection by The NFL Draft Report, a semi-finalist for the Biletnikoff Award (nation’s top receiver) and an All-Big 12 Conference second-team choice.
• Started every game at split end, leading the team for the third straight year in receptions and for the fourth consecutive season in receiving yards and touchdown catches.
• Caught 70 passes for 1,079 yards (15.4 avg.) and nine touchdowns, becoming the only player in school history to gain over 1,000 yards receiving in a season twice in a career. His 1,079 yards rank fourth on the school’s season-record list.
• Only Kwame Cavil (100 in 1999) had more catches in a season for the Longhorns and his nine scoring receptions are topped only by Herkie Walls (10 in 1982) and his own 2002 total of 12 on the Texas season-record chart
• Gained over 100 yards receiving in four contests and had at least four receptions in 10 games.
• Took a pitchout from QB Vince Young and threw a 56-yard pass to B.J. Johnson against Iowa State as well as catching four passes for 90 yards and a 30-yard touchdown.
• Caught six passes for a season-high 162 yards and a 67-yard score versus Oklahoma State. </SPAN>
2002:
• All-Big 12 Conference first-team selection, a semi-finalist for the Biletnikoff Award and was named the team’s Co-Offensive Most Valuable Player.
• Despite battling a nagging hamstring injury all year, he led the team with 64 receptions for a career-high 1,142 yards (17.8 avg) and a school season-record 12 touchdowns, topping the previous mark of 10 scores by Herkie Walls in 1982.
• Only Kwame Cavil (1,188 in 1999) gained more yards receiving in a season for the Longhorns.
• Finished the season with 78 points scored and gained over 100 yards in six contests.
• Ranked second in the conference and 17th in the NCAA in receiving yards per game (95.2 ypg.) and sixth in the league and 36th nationally in receptions per contest (5.3 rpg.).
• Against Nebraska, he caught a school game-record 13 passes for 161 yards, including touchdowns of two and 16 yards. His 13 catches topped the previous UT record of 12 by Eric Metcalf vs. Arkansas in 1988.
• Named MVP of the Cotton Bowl against Louisiana State as he had his fifth-straight 100-yard game, tallying 142 yards on four receptions with a 51-yard score. He also set up another touchdown on a 75-yard catch and scored on a 39-yard reverse.</SPAN>
2001:
• All-Big 12 Conference first-team selection after starting every game at split end, leading the team with 67 receptions for 836 yards (12.5 avg) and seven touchdowns.
• Gained over 100 yards receiving in three contests and had at least four catches in every contest, including the Holiday Bowl.
• Against Kansas had six receptions for 109 yards and a 68-yard touchdown, marking the fifth straight game in which he found the end zone.
• In Texas’ 47-43 win over Washington in the Holiday Bowl, he caught11 passes for 134 yards and a 25-yard touchdown. The 11 catches ranked third on the school’s game-record list.</SPAN>
2000:
• Second-team Freshman All-American choice by The Sporting News, third-team All-Big 12 Conference and Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year.
• Named the team’s Outstanding Offensive Newcomer after playing in 11 games, starting the final six contests at split end…
• Ranked second on the team with 40 receptions and led the Longhorns with 809 yards (20.2 avg) and eight touchdowns…
• Carried twice for 75 yards (37.5 avg.), both runs going for touchdowns.
• Scored 62 points, gained over 100 yards receiving in three contests and had at least four catches in seven games…
• Ranked first nationally among true freshman wide receivers in receiving yards, yards per game (73.5), yards per catch and touchdowns.
• Made six catches for 105 yards against Louisiana-Lafayette in his collegiate debut.
• Scored his first career touchdown, a 38-yarder, against Stanford.
• Had five catches for 175 yards and a career-long 96-yard touchdown against Oklahoma State. His 96-yarder was the longest catch by a freshman in school annals and was the second-longest reception in Texas annals behind Wane McGarity’s 97-yarder vs. Oklahoma in 1998.
• Hauled in a career-high 180 yards on four catches, including touchdowns of 38 and 65 yards. His 180 yards receiving rank fifth on the school’s game-record list.</SPAN>
HIGH SCHOOL:
• Claimed All-State honors in both football and track as a junior and senior at Permian (Odessa, Texas) High.
• Had 100 receptions for 2,364 yards and 30 touchdowns in three seasons.
• Also returned kicks and played safety and set 20 school records.
• Recorded 35 catches for 800 yards and seven touchdowns en route to second-team All-State honors in 1999 despite missing three games with a toe injury.
• Posted a career-high 233 receiving yards on five receptions in a 1999 playoff game vs. San Angelo.
• Made 49 receptions for 1,521 yards (31.0 avg.) and 18 touchdowns to earn first-team All-State honors as a junior and also picked off three passes that season.
• Had 23 catches and was tabbed first-team All-District and voted the Newcomer of the Year as a sophomore.
• Earned three letters in both basketball and track.
• Single-handedly led his team to a fourth-place finish at the 2000 Texas 5A state track meet after he won the long jump with a state-record leap of 25-6, was second in the high jump (6-10) and finished third in the 100 meters (10.48) to tally all of Permian’s 24 points at that meet.
• Finished fourth in the long jump at the 1998 and 1999 state meet.
• Three-time first-team All-District performer in basketball.

</SPAN>

 

[MaxBuck]

when schlegel started last year, he was a great MLB, he ended up leading the team in tackles for a loss with 10.5, hes got great speed, and i think i read somewhere that he has national lifting records.

oh yeah, hes also from texas.

Wait just a moment. Schlegel is a more than competent MLB, but he does NOT have "great speed."

 

[TheMile]

If that were true, tOSU should have had legitimate NCs in multiple years in the 90s. Players are a product of their coaching...FSU has done nothing since the staff has been cleared, PSU has gone downhill, Florida under Zook was not Florida, and tOSU under Coop certainly did not appreciate the big game mentailty.

Hmm, you're taking my point out of context to some degree. I don't mean to imply that Brown is a great coach, nor that Paterno (nowadays) or Zook are even good coaches. Of course they're accountable for performance. Aren't I calling for Jim Hermann's head?

I think Brown is much better than people (especially Buckeyes, due to Cooper's legacy) make him out to be. He's been extremely successful on the whole in a major conference, and he's accountable for that, too. People say things like, "Oklahoma is in Mack Brown's head." Even if true, so? What, is he going to choke while watching tape or making guys run laps?

Oklahoma being in the heads of Texas's players matters significantly more (which, I'll admit, is partially Brown's fault). My assertion about Brown is that Oklahoma's success against him is more a combination of them having better teams than Texas and plain old luck than it is Brown being this horrible coach.

 

[3yardsandacloud]

Just to avert any more reports of a "bad post", I want everyone to know that I gave lalain ohio permission to make this abbreviated post about this event. I too had concerns over his first post which was a full blown ad for the event. My main concern was whether or not proceed were actually being sent to the Stephanie Spielman fund. lala assures me they are and there is a link to the Spielman fund on the linked web site. So, the bridge the gap we were facing, I decided to let him repost a very brief description and the link.

You can be the judge. If you might be interested ... check it out. If you do go, make sure to ask about proceeds to the the Stephanie Spielman fund. If you're not interested ... disregard this thread.

Thanks - 3yards

 

[Matt8200]

[SIZE=+1]Where'd you go to school...
100 meters = 109.36133 yards
[/SIZE]

Obviously not tOSU College of Engineering like I did.