Personal Accountability

[DaytonBuck]

I'm not even supposed to be here today!

 

[DaytonBuck]

 

[MaxBuck]

Two coaches who are legendary for preaching personal accountability: Bobby Knight and Woody Hayes.

Two coaches who had great difficulty accepting accountability for their own actions: Bobby Knight and Woody Hayes.

It's a lot easier to preach and be smug than it is to practice. As for myself, I'm just trying to keep the bills paid, my wife happy and myself out of jail. You all can do as you please.

 

[Best Buckeye]

Two coaches who are legendary for preaching personal accountability: Bobby Knight and Woody Hayes.

Two coaches who had great difficulty accepting accountability for their own actions: Bobby Knight and Woody Hayes.

It's a lot easier to preach and be smug than it is to practice. As for myself, I'm just trying to keep the bills paid, my wife happy and myself out of jail. You all can do as you please.

Bullsh it . Just how well did you know Woody?

 

[MaxBuck]

Bullsh it . Just how well did you know Woody?

Actually, reasonably well. He was a great coach and a great man - I'd never say the latter about Knight. But the fact remains, Woody had a huge problem with anger management. He injured many other people and himself in his legendary fits of rage. It took his getting fired for him to come to terms with it and confront it. But he was what - 64 when he was fired? So for 63+ years he could not accept accountability for this flaw.

Woody and I used to run into each other on campus when I was a long-haired hippie-type grad student, and we had some lengthy chats, some nearly a half-hour wandering the oval. (He mistook me for one of his former military history students, and I never disabused him of the notion!) Woody never judged people harshly based on their appearance - he was interested in people and gave tirelessly of himself. Bottom line is that he was a flawed hero.

 

[Jake]

While much of what you say is true, if we snatched the babies out of the cribs of the personal responsibility crowd and dropped them in homes in the hood and Appalachia, you'd get teen pregnancy humpin', welfare loving, mouth breathing social leaches in 20 years or less.

So what do we do about it other than whine that it is happening?

It took decades to hundreds of years to create the cultural environments that produce this behavior, so what is the quick fix?

It took 4 decades to create this behavior - the so called Great Society. We started paying people to sit on their asses, and rewarded them for making babies, starting in 1964. Then we herded them into projects, and seem surprised when a bunch of people with no work ethic and too much time on their hands end up resorting to criminal and self-destructive behavior.

We're killing people with compassion.

One of the ways we could address it would be to require able bodied welfare recipients to work. Not only would their communities be improved, but they'd develop a work ethic and it wouldn't be long before they pursued a real job for some real money. Of course, we started unionizing government jobs in 1962, so "workfare" would run into opposition from groups like AFSCME.

Politicians don't like personal accountability, anyway. They'd much rather have a society of dependent children. From the looks of things today, they're well on their way to accomplishing that goal. :ohwell:

 

[MaxBuck]

Politicians don't like personal accountability, anyway.

Not to overgeneralize, or anything.

Frankly, I see a better work ethic and better accountability among young people today than I've seen for years - certainly better than my own (baby-boomer) generation.

It's probably pretty obvious from my comments here that, when I hear people preaching on about other people's "lack of personal accountability," I get a little testy. Most of the people I've listened to who preached that sermon needed to play it back to themselves in the privacy of their own homes - and to start practicing what they preached. Not to suggest, of course, that Jake has this problem.

 

[Best Buckeye]

Actually, reasonably well. He was a great coach and a great man - , Woody had a huge problem with anger management. He injured many other people and himself in his legendary fits of rage. It took his getting fired for him to come to terms with it and confront it. But he was what - 64 when he was fired? So for 63+ years he could not accept accountability for this flaw.

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I know he had anger problems But that doesn't mean that he didn't hold himself accountable for his actions.
I never knew him to not accept the results of what he did. Sure he knew he wasn't always right but I never saw him deny his responsibilities.
He would never apologize for anything that I know of but he always acknowledged his actions.
half the tantrums he threw were false, ergo the weakly sewn hats, the cheap watches etc.

 

[Best Buckeye]

It took 4 decades to create this behavior - the so called Great Society. We started paying people to sit on their asses, and rewarded them for making babies, starting in 1964. Then we herded them into projects, and seem surprised when a bunch of people with no work ethic and too much time on their hands end up resorting to criminal and self-destructive behavior.

We're killing people with compassion.

One of the ways we could address it would be to require able bodied welfare recipients to work. Not only would their communities be improved, but they'd develop a work ethic and it wouldn't be long before they pursued a real job for some real money. Of course, we started unionizing government jobs in 1962, so "workfare" would run into opposition from groups like AFSCME.

Politicians don't like personal accountability, anyway. They'd much rather have a society of dependent children. From the looks of things today, they're well on their way to accomplishing that goal. :ohwell:

Jake , you are correct, we, and the politicians we allowed to create this society as it is in regards to welfare. They failed to put an ending on a lot of programs and the programs were added onto and grew and grew to where they are today.
we each have to start by being responsible ourselves and teaching our children how to be the same and also project that to everyone we meet.

Children should not be having children any more than women in their 60's, Nor should people have kids who are going to rely on taxpayers for support.

As far as that goes, jmo , but no one should get, or receive or make anything that depends on taxpayer monies except for self sustinance, and then only until they can provide for themselves.
Of course except for those who are handicapped. (added the last for the far left wingers who I know would jump all over me )

 

[DaytonBuck]

Frankly, I see a better work ethic and better accountability among young people today than I've seen for years - certainly better than my own (baby-boomer) generation.

Speaking as young person, today's young people are the biggest drain on humanity ever

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

Not to single anyone out or anything, but it's truly ironic that there are those who preach the need for compassion and learned responsibilities but also support wage laws that forbid the lower educated class from obtaining meaningful employment. And they happen to be the same people who preach the need for better education for inner cities pupils but also vehemently oppose government subsidies for these kids to attend better schools. Truly puzzling.

 

[Gatorubet]

Not to single anyone out or anything, but it's truly ironic that there are those who preach the need for compassion and learned responsibilities but also support wage laws that forbid the lower educated class from obtaining meaningful employment. And they happen to be the same people who preach the need for better education for inner cities pupils but also vehemently oppose government subsidies for these kids to attend better schools. Truly puzzling.

The fact that we don't allow unbridled capitalism to enslave workers into a system of working for a non-living wage, or that we oppose draining the cream of underfunded, poorly performing public schools and their accompanying per student funding for insertion into private often religious schools is not "puzzling" at all.

The "school voucher" plan is a philosophy that ignores the larger problem of wretched public school performance (which to be fair is more of a cultural/societal problem) and instead focuses on a high performing few, with the whole idea being a cover for using public tax dollars to fund private religious schools and skirt the separation of church and state wall.

Not singling out anyone or saying that you share those views.

 

[Gatorubet]

It took 4 decades to create this behavior - the so called Great Society. We started paying people to sit on their asses, and rewarded them for making babies, starting in 1964. Then we herded them into projects, and seem surprised when a bunch of people with no work ethic and too much time on their hands end up resorting to criminal and self-destructive behavior.

We're killing people with compassion.

One of the ways we could address it would be to require able bodied welfare recipients to work. Not only would their communities be improved, but they'd develop a work ethic and it wouldn't be long before they pursued a real job for some real money. Of course, we started unionizing government jobs in 1962, so "workfare" would run into opposition from groups like AFSCME.

Politicians don't like personal accountability, anyway. They'd much rather have a society of dependent children. From the looks of things today, they're well on their way to accomplishing that goal. :ohwell:

AFDC essentially drove males away, as you could get an apartment if you were unmarried and not living with a guy, but would be dropped if you were living with a potential breadwinner. It was stupid and ass backward.

I'm glad that you mention it, because to use goverment laws and monies to coerce people into a behavior and then blame their descendents for that behavior is more than unfair. Of course, if the civil rights industry black leaders would acknowlege that behavior as the root cause of inner city problems instead of blaming everything on racism it would be nice.

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

The fact that we don't allow unbridled capitalism to enslave workers into a system of working for a non-living wage,

....and so we oppose to these slaves from working at all.

or that we oppose draining the cream of underfunded, poorly performing public schools

....and so we oppose to providing better opportunities for these pupils under any circumstance...

Sounds like a plan to me.

 

[DaytonBuck]

AFDC essentially drove males away, as you could get an apartment if you were unmarried and not living with a guy, but would be dropped if you were living with a potential breadwinner. It was stupid and ass backward.

I'm glad that you mention it, because to use goverment laws and monies to coerce people into a behavior and then blame their descendents for that behavior is more than unfair. Of course, if the civil rights industry black leaders would acknowlege that behavior as the root cause of inner city problems instead of blaming everything on racism it would be nice.

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