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Bullsh it . Just how well did you know Woody?MaxBuck;1408280; said:Two coaches who are legendary for preaching personal accountability: Bobby Knight and Woody Hayes.
Two coaches who had great difficulty accepting accountability for their own actions: Bobby Knight and Woody Hayes.
It's a lot easier to preach and be smug than it is to practice. As for myself, I'm just trying to keep the bills paid, my wife happy and myself out of jail. You all can do as you please.
Actually, reasonably well. He was a great coach and a great man - I'd never say the latter about Knight. But the fact remains, Woody had a huge problem with anger management. He injured many other people and himself in his legendary fits of rage. It took his getting fired for him to come to terms with it and confront it. But he was what - 64 when he was fired? So for 63+ years he could not accept accountability for this flaw.Best Buckeye;1408281; said:Bullsh it . Just how well did you know Woody?
Gatorubet;1407824; said:While much of what you say is true, if we snatched the babies out of the cribs of the personal responsibility crowd and dropped them in homes in the hood and Appalachia, you'd get teen pregnancy humpin', welfare loving, mouth breathing social leaches in 20 years or less.
So what do we do about it other than whine that it is happening?
It took decades to hundreds of years to create the cultural environments that produce this behavior, so what is the quick fix?
Not to overgeneralize, or anything.Jake;1408305; said:Politicians don't like personal accountability, anyway.
I know he had anger problems But that doesn't mean that he didn't hold himself accountable for his actions.MaxBuck;1408287; said:Actually, reasonably well. He was a great coach and a great man - , Woody had a huge problem with anger management. He injured many other people and himself in his legendary fits of rage. It took his getting fired for him to come to terms with it and confront it. But he was what - 64 when he was fired? So for 63+ years he could not accept accountability for this flaw.
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Jake , you are correct, we, and the politicians we allowed to create this society as it is in regards to welfare. They failed to put an ending on a lot of programs and the programs were added onto and grew and grew to where they are today.Jake;1408305; said:It took 4 decades to create this behavior - the so called Great Society. We started paying people to sit on their asses, and rewarded them for making babies, starting in 1964. Then we herded them into projects, and seem surprised when a bunch of people with no work ethic and too much time on their hands end up resorting to criminal and self-destructive behavior.
We're killing people with compassion.
One of the ways we could address it would be to require able bodied welfare recipients to work. Not only would their communities be improved, but they'd develop a work ethic and it wouldn't be long before they pursued a real job for some real money. Of course, we started unionizing government jobs in 1962, so "workfare" would run into opposition from groups like AFSCME.
Politicians don't like personal accountability, anyway. They'd much rather have a society of dependent children. From the looks of things today, they're well on their way to accomplishing that goal. :ohwell:
MaxBuck;1408312; said:Frankly, I see a better work ethic and better accountability among young people today than I've seen for years - certainly better than my own (baby-boomer) generation.
Tresselbeliever;1408354; said:Not to single anyone out or anything, but it's truly ironic that there are those who preach the need for compassion and learned responsibilities but also support wage laws that forbid the lower educated class from obtaining meaningful employment. And they happen to be the same people who preach the need for better education for inner cities pupils but also vehemently oppose government subsidies for these kids to attend better schools. Truly puzzling.
Jake;1408305; said:It took 4 decades to create this behavior - the so called Great Society. We started paying people to sit on their asses, and rewarded them for making babies, starting in 1964. Then we herded them into projects, and seem surprised when a bunch of people with no work ethic and too much time on their hands end up resorting to criminal and self-destructive behavior.
We're killing people with compassion.
One of the ways we could address it would be to require able bodied welfare recipients to work. Not only would their communities be improved, but they'd develop a work ethic and it wouldn't be long before they pursued a real job for some real money. Of course, we started unionizing government jobs in 1962, so "workfare" would run into opposition from groups like AFSCME.
Politicians don't like personal accountability, anyway. They'd much rather have a society of dependent children. From the looks of things today, they're well on their way to accomplishing that goal. :ohwell:
Gatorubet;1408369; said:The fact that we don't allow unbridled capitalism to enslave workers into a system of working for a non-living wage,
or that we oppose draining the cream of underfunded, poorly performing public schools
Gatorubet;1408372; said:AFDC essentially drove males away, as you could get an apartment if you were unmarried and not living with a guy, but would be dropped if you were living with a potential breadwinner. It was stupid and ass backward.
I'm glad that you mention it, because to use goverment laws and monies to coerce people into a behavior and then blame their descendents for that behavior is more than unfair. Of course, if the civil rights industry black leaders would acknowlege that behavior as the root cause of inner city problems instead of blaming everything on racism it would be nice.