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2008 Bracketology Discussion

I think most everyone is underselling UD's chances. Even if UD loses to X tomorrow, UD's RPI will increase, and it is 30 right now. An RPI in the high 20s, and 9 wins against the RPI top 100, including two against the top 25. These are resume bullets that other bubble teams (including OSU) can't touch.
 
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UnderTheRadar;1114522; said:
I think most everyone is underselling UD's chances. Even if UD loses to X tomorrow, UD's RPI will increase, and it is 30 right now. An RPI in the high 20s, and 9 wins against the RPI top 100, including two against the top 25. These are resume bullets that other bubble teams (including OSU) can't touch.

Injuries tho...They are 9-8 without Wright and will probably we without him for the tourney...They factor in injuries....500 in the A-10 is also nothing to even write home about...Would they of been .500 in a a big tier conference? Of course not...The a-10 is a solid conference and ahead of the mid-majors, but not as high as the big boys...

Lots of bad losses to like La Salle, Duquense, George Washington, George Mason, Richmond...

The wins against Louisville and Pitt are very good, but they were when healthy...

No way unless they could win tomm would they even be talked about in terms of an at-large bid IMO...
 
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Why is K-State a lock...This is the one team that has been overrated all season IMO...Mainly because of Beasley, and yes he is a good player and they have the one big win over Kansas, but look at their resume...

10-6 in conference looks really good until you look at it a little harder...

Only played Texas once at home
Played aTm once at home...Win...But what if they go on the road...
Okie only once...I believe without Griffin...
Baylor once...loss...

So of the top 5 teams other than them in the conference they only played Kansas once and went 3-3 in those 6 games...Pretty solid, but figure out that they went 7-3 against the bottom feeders, losses against Nebraska, Ttech, and Mizzou...So they got to play the bottom 6 ten times...So they doubled up on 3 of them...So overall the conference record is a little misleading...

Now take a look at their non conference and it gets even uglier...Losses against George Mason, Oregon, @ Xavier(crushed), @ ND...Not another game against a tourney team and the only decent team on the slate was Cal who they beat...

So if you look at them vs. us...We have wins over Michigan St. and Purdue which compare to aTm and Okie...They have the win over Kansas on us, but we have the wins over Florida and Syracuse who are both bubble teams OOC...

Played a much tougher non-conference schedule...Played tougher in conference schedule as we had 7 tough games against teams in the top 25...We went 2-5 which isn't as impressive as 3-3 they did, but throw in the wins over Florida and cuse and you put that at 4-5...Then factor in our bad losses in conference against Iowa, Michigan, Minny to their losses to Ttech, nebraska, mizzou and you are even...

I would just be curious if someone could explain to me the reason why we are on the bubble and Kstate is solidly in...I am not saying in anyway that Kstate doesn't deserve to be in but put us side by side with them things don't look that much different...

Don't get me started on Oregon and Zona...
 
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No big news on the bubble front Wednesday. Nova beat Syracuse to end Syracuse's tourney hopes and keep their own alive, and UD, St. Joe's, Arizona, and WVU all won to keep their tourney hopes alive. A lot of bubble action on Thursday.

Thursday's bubble games to watch:

Villanova vs. Georgetown: Villanova still has to beat Georgetown to get serious consideration. The bad late foul calls that led to losses against Gtown and NC State might get some consideration from the committtee, but its still a win or go home situation for Nova. Go Hoyas.

Dayton vs. Xavier: If UD beats Xavier, I don't see how the committee could keep them out with a sub-30 RPI and SOS. It doesn't look like Chris Wright will be back for any of the A10 Tourney, and his NCAA Tourney status is still up in the air. Buckeyes are rooting hard for Xavier in this one.

Tulsa vs. UAB: UAB needs to win this one to stay in the discussion, and they are still a long shot at that. Hopefully Tulsa can send them to the NIT right here.

NC State vs. Miami: Miami is sitting pretty right- if the season ended today, they would be in for sure. But a loss here could seriously hurt their prospects. I don't see the ACC being a 3-bid league, but better that Miami was on the bubble with us than a lock. Go Wolfpack.

Richmond vs. St. Joe's: St. Joe's still needs to beat UMass or Xavier before they merit any serious consideration. Any loss would end it for them, and thats what I'm hoping Richmond can accomplish.

Arizona State vs. USC: The Trojans are locks, but the Devils still have something to prove. A win here would put them in the middle of the discussion, while a loss would send them home. Go Trojans.

Colorado vs. Baylor: Baylor is looking pretty good right now, but a loss here could move them back to the bubble. Considering Colorado is 3-13 in Big 12 play I'm not holding my breath.

Houston vs. UTEP: Houston's weak RPI and SOS mean that it needs to get to at least the conference tourney finals to have any kind of shot at an at-large, and its still a long shot from there. It's not going to happen.

LaSalle vs. Temple: Temple is another team that would have to make it to the conference tourney finals to get serious consideration, and I don't think they can pull it off.

Toledo vs. Kent State: Kent is pretty much a lock right now, but a loss to lowly Toledo could move them back onto the bubble. Again, better them being on the bubble with us than a lock. Go Rockets.

Alabama vs. Florida: Florida has to make a serious statement in the SEC Tourney to get an at-large, at least getting to the conference tourney finals. Don't see it happening, but who knows.

Charlotte vs. UMass: UMass is probably the second team from the A10 in line for a bid, right up there with UD. Winning here would almost solidfy an at-large, while losing could really hurt. Go Charlotte.

BC vs. Maryland: Maryland has a lot to prove, and probably needs a conference finals run to get serious at-large consideration. I would rather it not get that far.

Oregon vs. Washington State: For Oregon, winning this game puts them in a really good position, while losing this game probably end's their tourney dreams. They have a very similar resume to tOSU, and they play in the better conference. For that reason, I'm rooting hard for Wazzou here.

TCU vs. UNLV: UNLV is looking good with a mid-20s RPI and decent SOS, but a loss at home here would really hurt. I'm rooting for the loss.

Iowa State vs. TAMU: Considering TAMU beat us by like 25, I am hoping for a bad loss from them early in the B12 Tourney. I don't want the committee comparing us and them too hard.

Georgia vs. Ole Miss: Mississippi has a great 5-4 record vs. the RPI Top 50, and despite a lackluster RPI of their own, I don't want the committee discussing their potential in the room. Rooting hard for someone to end it early for them.

Arizona vs. Stanford: A win for Arizona locks up a bid for sure, and while a loss doesn't knock them out by any means, it puts them back on the bubble with teams like tOSU. Their RPI and SOS are both great, and they can play the injury card too. Still, a loss is much better for us than win, so go Cardinal.

Utah vs. New Mexico: New Mexico still has a lot to prove, and is probably battling UNLV for the second spot from the MWC. Still, if both lose, that opens up a spot for us. Go Utes.

Thats a lot of games, and a lot of long shots. Teams I'm rooting hardest against are Villanova, UD, Baylor, UMass, Oregon, UNLV, Arizona, and Ole Miss.

And of course, none of this means anything unless we beat MSU on Friday.
 
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crazybuckfan40;1114687; said:
Why is K-State a lock...

Key Wins:
vs. (10) Texas A&M (was 15-2 when K State beat them)
vs. (2) Kansas

Key Losses:
vs. George Mason
@ Missouri
@ Texas Tech
@ Nebraska

They're pretty decent at home, but when it comes to the road....forget about it. I'll give them credit for going 10-6 in a pretty decent Big 12 conference, but their OOC wins aren't very impressive.

Per Joe Lunardi's most recent Bracketology, they'd be an 8 seed with an opening round game against Kentucky. IMO, they'd take it to Kentucky and then get bounced in the 2nd round by Memphis. If Beasley was to ever go down, that team would be finished.
 
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BengalsAndBucks;1114713; said:
Thursday's bubble games to watch:

Villanova vs. Georgetown

Dayton vs. Xavier

Tulsa vs. UAB

NC State vs. Miami

Richmond vs. St. Joe's

Arizona State vs. USC

Colorado vs. Baylor

Houston vs. UTEP

LaSalle vs. Temple

Toledo vs. Kent State

Alabama vs. Florida

Charlotte vs. UMass

BC vs. Maryland

Oregon vs. Washington State

TCU vs. UNLV

Iowa State vs. TAMU

Georgia vs. Ole Miss

Arizona vs. Stanford

Utah vs. New Mexico

Bolded teams are my picks for today.
 
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ESPN - Will A-10's crazy season cost league tourney bids? - Men's College Basketball
ESPN.com said:
Will A-10's crazy season cost league tourney bids?

Temple is the Atlantic 10 tournament's No. 2 seed, yet the Owls are not even in most NCAA tournament conversations.

Dayton boasts the league's second-best RPI (33) but is the conference tourney's eighth seed.

Rhode Island once was ranked No. 22 in the country but barely made it into its own postseason, slinking in as the 11th seed.

And in less than a month, Saint Joseph's has tumbled from an NCAAs at-large lock to an A-10 five seed.

The only thing that makes sense about the Atlantic 10 right now is that the tournament is in Atlantic City.

Contd...
 
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BuckeyeMafia;1114802; said:
I think Miami is in. They've beaten a few quality opponents- Clemson, Duke, and most importantly, Maryland, twice.

I think they're in as well........unless somehow NC State pulls off an upset today.
 
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MD Buckeye;1114726; said:
Key Wins:
vs. (10) Texas A&M (was 15-2 when K State beat them)
vs. (2) Kansas

Key Losses:
vs. George Mason
@ Missouri
@ Texas Tech
@ Nebraska

They're pretty decent at home, but when it comes to the road....forget about it. I'll give them credit for going 10-6 in a pretty decent Big 12 conference, but their OOC wins aren't very impressive.

Per Joe Lunardi's most recent Bracketology, they'd be an 8 seed with an opening round game against Kentucky. IMO, they'd take it to Kentucky and then get bounced in the 2nd round by Memphis. If Beasley was to ever go down, that team would be finished.

But what seperates them from being a bubble team and not being one...I am yet to figure that out...

I need some numbers to better judge the argument I guess, anyone know of a resume site that has all the numbers like RPI, SOS, record against top 50 etc...
 
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MD Buckeye;1114803; said:
I think they're in as well........unless somehow NC State pulls off an upset today.


I had to edit.. Sorry.. reading ESPNs schedule and they had Marist as MAR and Maryland as MARY. :biggrin:

And I agree, NCS won't be able to upset them- so they're in.

ACC gets a blow job from the committee every year- which goes in their favor as well.
 
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BuckeyeMafia;1114805; said:
I had to edit.. Sorry.. reading ESPNs schedule and they had Marist as MAR and Maryland as MARY. :biggrin:

And I agree, NCS won't be able to upset them- so they're in.

ACC gets a blow job from the committee every year- which goes in their favor as well.

Don't forget.....NC State already 'upset' them this year :wink2:

I still think Miami wins today though
 
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crazybuckfan40;1114804; said:
But what seperates them from being a bubble team and not being one...I am yet to figure that out...

I need some numbers to better judge the argument I guess, anyone know of a resume site that has all the numbers like RPI, SOS, record against top 50 etc...

2008 NCAA Men's Basketball RPI

They're ranked 45th in the most recent RPI
 
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